NorMuon: Making Muon more efficient and scalable
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The choice of optimizer significantly impacts the training efficiency and computational costs of large language models (LLMs). Recently, the Muon optimizer has demonstrated promising results by orthogonalizing parameter updates, improving optimization geometry through better conditioning. Despite Muon's emergence as a candidate successor to Adam, the potential for jointly leveraging their strengths has not been systematically explored. In this work, we bridge this gap by proposing NorMuon (Neuron-wise Normalized Muon), an optimizer that synergistically combines orthogonalization with neuron-level adaptive learning rates. Our analysis reveals that while Muon effectively reduces condition numbers, the resulting updates exhibit highly non-uniform neuron norms, causing certain neurons to dominate the optimization process. NorMuon addresses this imbalance by maintaining second-order momentum statistics for each neuron and applying row-wise normalization after orthogonalization, ensuring balanced parameter utilization while preserving Muon's conditioning benefits. To enable practical deployment at scale, we develop an efficient distributed implementation under the FSDP2 framework that strategically distributes orthogonalization computations across devices. Experiments across multiple model scales demonstrate that NorMuon consistently outperforms both Adam and Muon, achieving 21.74% better training efficiency than Adam and 11.31% improvement over Muon on 1.1 B pretraining setting, while maintaining a comparable memory footprint to Muon. Our findings suggest that orthogonalization and adaptive learning rates are complementary rather than competing approaches, opening new avenues for optimizer design in large-scale deep learning.
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- 2026MuonEq: Balancing Before Orthogonalization with Lightweight Equilibrationcited by 16
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- 2026Mousse: Rectifying the Geometry of Muon with Curvature-Aware Preconditioningcited by 15
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- 2026Adam Improves Muon: Adaptive Moment Estimation with Orthogonalized Momentumcited by 13
- 2026Fantastic Pretraining Optimizers and Where to Find Them II: Hyperball Optimizationcited by 12
- 2026HTMuon: Improving Muon via Heavy-Tailed Spectral Correctioncited by 11
- 2026RMNP: Row-Momentum Normalized Preconditioning for Scalable Matrix-Based Optimizationcited by 11
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- 2026MeqMuon: Matrix-Equilibrating Muon for LLM Pretraining28 Sep 2026
- 2026Relative Generalization Invariance of LLM Pretraining26 Sep 2026
- 2026Matrix AdaGrad: Row-wise and Column-wise Adaptive Subgradient Methods18 Sep 2026
- 2026Nonsmooth Optimization via Orthogonalized Momentum12 Sep 2026
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