MuonBP: Faster Muon via Block-Periodic Orthogonalization
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Gradient orthogonalization is a simple strategy that shows great utility in speeding up gradient descent. The Muon optimizer (Jordan, Jin, et al., 2024) combines gradient orthogonalization with first-order momentum and achieves significant improvement in data efficiency over Adam/AdamW (Loshchilov and Hutter, 2019) for language model training. However, when using model parallelism, gradient orthogonalization introduces additional overhead compared to coordinate-wise optimizers (such as AdamW) due to additional gather and scatter operations on gradient matrix shards from different devices. This additional communication can amount to a throughput hit of 5%-10% compared to Adam/AdamW. To remedy this, we propose Muon with Block-Periodic Orthogonalization (MuonBP), which applies orthogonalization independently to matrix shards on each device and periodically performs full orthogonalization to maintain training stability at scale. We show how to adjust the learning rate from the baseline to MuonBP and give convergence guarantees for this algorithm. Crucially, our theory dictates that we use two stepsizes: one for the blockwise orthogonalization steps, and one for the full orthogonalization steps. Our method is simple, requires minimal hyperparameter adjustments, and achieves competitive iteration complexity compared with baseline Muon while providing per-iteration throughput comparable to coordinate-wise methods such as AdamW. When training an 8B model with eight-way tensor parallelism and ZeRO optimizer state sharding, MuonBP achieves 8% throughput increase compared to Muon with no degradation in performance.
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- 2026MOON: Multi-Objective OrthoNormalized Updates for Multitask Learning12 Aug 2026
- 2026Dion3: Full-Stack Orthogonal Updates12 Aug 2026
- 2026Scale Weight Decay and Train Better26 Jul 2026
- 2026Muse: Representation Geometry of Muon Beyond Normalized Momentum16 Jul 2026
- 2026Hierarchical Muon: Tiled Newton-Schulz Updates for Efficient Muon Optimization25 Jun 2026
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- 2026Muon Learns More Robust and Transferable Features than Adam8 Jun 2026
- 2026Why Muon Outperforms Adam: A Curvature Perspective3 Jun 2026
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- 2026MONA: Muon Optimizer with Nesterov Acceleration for Scalable Language Model Training26 May 2026
- 2026Anytime Training with Schedule-Free Spectral Optimization21 May 2026
- 2026LionMuon: Alternating Spectral and Sign Descent for Efficient Training19 May 2026
- 2026AMO: Operator-level Adaptive Muon Orthogonalization18 May 2026
- 2026When and Why Grouping Attention Heads Accelerates Muon Optimization9 May 2026
- 2026Orth-Dion: Eliminating Geometric Mismatch in Distributed Low-Rank Spectral Optimization7 May 2026
- 2026Muon2: Boosting Muon via Adaptive Second-Moment Preconditioning11 Apr 2026
- 2026MUON+: Towards More Effective Muon via One Additional Normalization Step for LLM Pre-training25 Feb 2026
- 2026Powering Up Zeroth-Order Training via Subspace Gradient Orthogonalization19 Feb 2026
- 2026TrasMuon: Trust-Region Adaptive Scaling for Orthogonalized Momentum Optimizers13 Feb 2026
- 2026Insights on Muon from Simple Quadratics12 Feb 2026
- 2026Canzona: A Unified, Asynchronous, and Load-Balanced Framework for Distributed Matrix-based Optimizers4 Feb 2026
- 2026TEON: Tensorized Orthonormalization Beyond Layer-Wise Muon for Large Language Model Pre-Training30 Jan 2026
- 2026FISMO: Fisher-Structured Momentum-Orthogonalized Optimizer29 Jan 2026
- 2026IFNSO: Iteration-Free Newton-Schulz Orthogonalization18 Jan 2026
- 2025Dion2: A Simple Method to Shrink Matrix in Muon1 Dec 2025
- 2025Non-Euclidean SGD for Structured Optimization: Unified Analysis and Improved Rates14 Nov 2025
- 2025Isotropic Curvature Model for Understanding Deep Learning Optimization: Is Gradient Orthogonalization Optimal?1 Nov 2025
- 2025Beyond the Ideal: Analyzing the Inexact Muon Update22 Oct 2025
- 2026Scaling Muon for Diffusion Transformerscited by 1
- 2026Scaling Muon for Diffusion Transformers21 Aug 2026
- 2025Isotropic Curvature Model for Understanding Deep Learning Optimization: Is Gradient Orthogonalization Optimal?cited by 30
- 2025Beyond the Ideal: Analyzing the Inexact Muon Updatecited by 23
- 2026Muon2: Boosting Muon via Adaptive Second-Moment Preconditioningcited by 15
- 2025Dion2: A Simple Method to Shrink Matrix in Muoncited by 11
- 2026Insights on Muon from Simple Quadraticscited by 11
- 2026Powering Up Zeroth-Order Training via Subspace Gradient Orthogonalizationcited by 11
- 2026FISMO: Fisher-Structured Momentum-Orthogonalized Optimizercited by 10
- 2025Non-Euclidean SGD for Structured Optimization: Unified Analysis and Improved Ratescited by 8
- 2026TrasMuon: Trust-Region Adaptive Scaling for Orthogonalized Momentum Optimizerscited by 6
- 2026TEON: Tensorized Orthonormalization Beyond Layer-Wise Muon for Large Language Model Pre-Trainingcited by 5
- 2026MUON+: Towards More Effective Muon via One Additional Normalization Step for LLM Pre-trainingcited by 5
- 2026Canzona: A Unified, Asynchronous, and Load-Balanced Framework for Distributed Matrix-based Optimizerscited by 4
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- 2026LionMuon: Alternating Spectral and Sign Descent for Efficient Training28 Sep 2026
- 2026Cost-free Spectral Estimation for Adaptive Newton--Schulz in Matrix Optimizers27 Sep 2026
- 2026Relative Generalization Invariance of LLM Pretraining26 Sep 2026
- 2026MOON: Multi-Objective OrthoNormalized Updates for Multitask Learning12 Aug 2026
- 2026Dion3: Full-Stack Orthogonal Updates12 Aug 2026
- 2026Scale Weight Decay and Train Better26 Jul 2026
- 2026Muse: Representation Geometry of Muon Beyond Normalized Momentum16 Jul 2026
- 2026Hierarchical Muon: Tiled Newton-Schulz Updates for Efficient Muon Optimization25 Jun 2026
- 2026CacheMuon: Using Temporal Preconditioning To Approximate Polar Factor15 Jun 2026
- 2026Muon Learns More Robust and Transferable Features than Adam8 Jun 2026
- 2026Why Muon Outperforms Adam: A Curvature Perspective3 Jun 2026
- 2026Spectral Scaling Laws of Muon2 Jun 2026
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