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Beyond the Ideal: Analyzing the Inexact Muon Update

arXiv 2510.19933 ↗First posted 22 Oct 2025cs.LG math.OCcited by 25

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Abstract (arXiv)

The Muon optimizer has rapidly emerged as a powerful, geometry-aware alternative to AdamW, demonstrating strong performance in large-scale training of neural networks. However, a critical theory-practice disconnect exists: Muon's efficiency relies on fast, approximate orthogonalization, yet all prior theoretical work analyzes an idealized, computationally intractable version assuming exact SVD-based updates. This work moves beyond the ideal by providing the first analysis of the inexact orthogonalized update at Muon's core. We develop our analysis within the general framework of Linear Minimization Oracle (LMO)-based optimization, introducing a realistic additive error model to capture the inexactness of practical approximation schemes. Our analysis yields explicit bounds that quantify performance degradation as a function of the LMO inexactness/error. We reveal a fundamental coupling between this inexactness and the optimal step size and momentum: lower oracle precision requires a smaller step size but larger momentum parameter. These findings elevate the approximation procedure (e.g., the number of Newton-Schulz steps) from an implementation detail to a critical parameter that must be co-tuned with the learning schedule. NanoGPT experiments directly confirm the predicted coupling, with optimal learning rates clearly shifting as approximation precision changes.

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  1. 2024The FineWeb Datasets: Decanting the Web for the Finest Text Data at Scalecited by 1,126
  2. 2013Stochastic First- and Zeroth-order Methods for Nonconvex Stochastic Programmingcited by 718
  3. 2025Muon is Scalable for LLM Trainingcited by 406
  4. 2019Why gradient clipping accelerates training: A theoretical justification for adaptivitycited by 337
  5. 2019Lower Bounds for Non-Convex Stochastic Optimizationcited by 306
  6. 2024Old Optimizer, New Norm: An Anthologycited by 183
  7. 2025Training Deep Learning Models with Norm-Constrained LMOscited by 183
  8. 2020Momentum Improves Normalized SGDcited by 138
  9. 2017Lower Bounds for Finding Stationary Points Icited by 125
  10. 2025The Polar Express: Optimal Matrix Sign Methods and Their Application to the Muon Algorithmcited by 106
  11. 2025Fantastic Pretraining Optimizers and Where to Find Themcited by 92
  12. 2025Understanding Gradient Orthogonalization for Deep Learning via Non-Euclidean Trust-Region Optimizationcited by 87
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  1. 2025Muon Optimizes Under Spectral Norm Constraintscited by 82
  2. 2025A Note on the Convergence of Muoncited by 80
  3. 2025Practical Efficiency of Muon for Pretrainingcited by 78
  4. 2025Gluon: Making Muon & Scion Great Again! (Bridging Theory and Practice of LMO-based Optimizers for LLMs)cited by 66
  5. 2025MuonBP: Faster Muon via Block-Periodic Orthogonalizationcited by 34
  6. 2022Orthogonalising gradients to speed up neural network optimisationcited by 26
  7. 2023Two Sides of One Coin: the Limits of Untuned SGD and the Power of Adaptive Methodscited by 23
  8. 2024Optimizing (L0, L1)-Smooth Functions by Gradient Methodscited by 19
  9. 2025Generalized Gradient Norm Clipping & Non-Euclidean (L0,L1)-Smoothnesscited by 17
  10. 2025Error Feedback for Muon and Friendscited by 11
  11. 2025Drop-Muon: Update Less, Converge Fastercited by 7
  12. 2025Mirror Descent Under Generalized Smoothnesscited by 5
  13. 2025The Ball-Proximal (="Broximal") Point Method: a New Algorithm, Convergence Theory, and Applicationscited by 4
  14. 2025Non-Euclidean Broximal Point Method: A Blueprint for Geometry-Aware Optimizationcited by 4

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  1. 2026MuonEq: Balancing Before Orthogonalization with Lightweight Equilibrationcited by 17
  2. 2026Insights on Muon from Simple Quadraticscited by 11
  3. 2026Deriving Hyperparameter Scaling Laws via Modern Optimization Theorycited by 10
  4. 2025Non-Euclidean SGD for Structured Optimization: Unified Analysis and Improved Ratescited by 8
  5. 2026Muon with Nesterov Momentum: Heavy-Tailed Noise and (Randomized) Inexact Polar Decompositioncited by 8
  6. 2026Why Muon Outperforms Adam: A Curvature Perspectivecited by 6
  7. 2025Ky Fan Norms and Beyond: Dual Norms and Combinations for Matrix Optimizationcited by 4
  8. 2026Beyond Muon: MUD (MomentUm Decorrelation) for Faster Transformer Trainingcited by 4
  9. 2026Muon with Finite Newton-Schulz: The Smoothing Benefit in Nonsmooth Nonconvex Optimizationcited by 4
  10. 2026Communication-Efficient Gluon in Federated Learningcited by 3
  11. 2026CacheMuon: Using Temporal Preconditioning To Approximate Polar Factorcited by 3
  12. 2026Ringmaster LMO: Asynchronous Linear Minimization Oracle Momentum Methodcited by 2
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  1. 2026Muon Learns More Robust and Transferable Features than Adamcited by 2
  2. 2025Turbo-Muon: Almost-Orthogonal Pre-Conditioning for Fast Muon Updatescited by 1
  3. 2026When and Why Grouping Attention Heads Accelerates Muon Optimizationcited by 1
  4. 2026A Note on Stability for Orthogonalized Matrix Momentum with Client Samplingcited by 1
  5. 2026Schattor: Schatten-family methods for deep learning optimizationcited by 1
  6. 2026Reassessing Muon for Matrix Factorizationcited by 1
  7. 2026Constrained Stochastic Spectral Preconditioning Converges for Nonconvex Objectivescited by 0
  8. 2026Muse: Representation Geometry of Muon Beyond Normalized Momentumcited by 0
  9. 2026Sign compression for Muon: SignMuon, MuonSign, and the Limits of Error Feedbackcited by 0
  10. 2026Nonsmooth Optimization via Orthogonalized Momentumcited by 0
  11. 2026Cost-free Spectral Estimation for Adaptive Newton--Schulz in Matrix Optimizerscited by 0
  12. 2026Muon Learns Facts Better: Understanding the Role of Spectral Orthogonalizationcited by 0
  13. 2026ExpertMuon-Compass: Alignment-Guided Step Sizes for Mixture-of-Experts Trainingcited by 0