Dissecting Long-Chain-of-Thought Reasoning Models: An Empirical Study
On the map: LLM reasoning → Reinforcement learning for reasoning
Abstract (arXiv)
Despite recent progress in training long-chain-of-thought reasoning models via scaling reinforcement learning (RL), its underlying training dynamics remain poorly understood, and several counterintuitive behaviors persist. This work focuses on three key aspects: (1) We systematically analyze the roles of positive and negative samples in scaling RL, revealing that positive samples mainly facilitate precise fitting to the training data, whereas negative samples significantly enhance generalization and robustness. Interestingly, while positive samples are essential for convergence in the zero-RL setting, training on negative samples alone suffices to attain strong reasoning performance and even better generalization in cold-start scenarios. (2) We identify substantial data inefficiency in group relative policy optimization, where over half of the samples yield zero advantage. To address this, we explore two strategies, including relative length rewards and offline sample injection, to leverage these data better and enhance reasoning efficiency and capability. (3) We investigate unstable performance across various reasoning models and benchmarks, attributing instability to uncertain problems with ambiguous outcomes, and demonstrate that greedy decoding can distort evaluation by flipping the correctness of responses. Our code is available at: https://github.com/takagi97/Dissect-Long-Reason-Models.
Key facts. Cited by 5 papers in the map (data through 7 Oct 2026). Placed in Reinforcement learning for reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning. Builds on 22 of its 31 references that are in the map. First posted on arXiv 5 Jun 2025.
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22 of 31 references.
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- 2025Learning to Reason under Off-Policy Guidance21 Apr
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- 2025A Minimalist Approach to LLM Reasoning: from Rejection Sampling to Reinforce15 Apr
- 2025CPPO: Accelerating the Training of Group Relative Policy Optimization-Based Reasoning Models28 Mar
- 2025Understanding R1-Zero-Like Training: A Critical Perspective26 Mar
- 2025SimpleRL-Zoo: Investigating and Taming Zero Reinforcement Learning for Open Base Models in the Wild24 Mar
- 2025Cognitive Behaviors that Enable Self-Improving Reasoners, or, Four Habits of Highly Effective STaRs3 Mar
- 2025Training Language Models to Reason Efficiently6 Feb
- 2023RAFT: Reward rAnked FineTuning for Generative Foundation Model Alignment13 Apr
- 2017Proximal Policy Optimization Algorithms20 Jul
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- 2024DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits of Mathematical Reasoning in Open Language Modelscited by 8,851
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- 2023AGIEval: A Human-Centric Benchmark for Evaluating Foundation Modelscited by 701
- 2025Visual-RFT: Visual Reinforcement Fine-Tuningcited by 501
- 2025Demystifying Long Chain-of-Thought Reasoning in LLMscited by 323
- 2025O1-Pruner: Length-Harmonizing Fine-Tuning for O1-Like Reasoning Pruningcited by 278
- 2024Preference Fine-Tuning of LLMs Should Leverage Suboptimal, On-Policy Datacited by 184
- 2025DAST: Difficulty-Adaptive Slow-Thinking for Large Reasoning Modelscited by 154
- 2025A Sober Look at Progress in Language Model Reasoning: Pitfalls and Paths to Reproducibilitycited by 89
- 2018Actor-Critic Policy Optimization in Partially Observable Multiagent Environmentscited by 35
- 2023ReLU to the Rescue: Improve Your On-Policy Actor-Critic with Positive Advantagescited by 10
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