Exploiting weight-space symmetries for approximating curvature
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Abstract (arXiv)
Many machine learning techniques rely on approximating a loss function's curvature, but this is notoriously hard to do at the scale of modern deep networks. Surprisingly, no previous work has exploited the curvature constraints that arise from well known weight-space symmetries in loss landscapes. By analytically averaging over group actions that leave the loss invariant, we construct structured Hessian approximations from single gradients that can be tractably estimated, stored, and inverted. The choice of user-specified symmetry group directly governs the trade-off between approximation accuracy and computational cost. Moreover, our framework provides a unifying theoretical lens for viewing existing methods; in particular, a specific choice of symmetry group recovers Shampoo/Muon-like curvature estimates. We validate our method on a range of network architectures, and deploy it to second-order optimization benchmarks, including a small language model. Our curvature estimation framework might find applications in other machine learning problems such as uncertainty estimation, continual learning, compression/pruning, training data attribution, and more.
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