Muon is Not That Special: Random or Inverted Spectra Work Just as Well
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Abstract (arXiv)
The recent empirical success of the Muon optimizer has renewed interest in non-Euclidean optimization, typically justified by similarities with second-order methods, and linear minimization oracle (LMO) theory. In this paper, we challenge this geometric narrative through three contributions, demonstrating that precise geometric structure is not the key factor affecting optimization performance. First, we introduce Freon, a family of optimizers based on Schatten (quasi-)norms, powered by a novel, provably optimal QDWH-based iterative approximation. Freon naturally interpolates between SGD and Muon, while smoothly extrapolating into the quasi-norm regime. Empirically, the best-performing Schatten parameters for GPT-2 lie strictly within the quasi-norm regime, and thus cannot be represented by any unitarily invariant LMO. Second, noting that Freon performs well across a wide range of exponents, we introduce Kaon, an absurd optimizer that replaces singular values with random noise. Despite lacking any coherent geometric structure, Kaon matches Muon's performance and retains classical convergence guarantees, proving that strict adherence to a precise geometry is practically irrelevant. Third, having shown that geometry is not the primary driver of performance, we demonstrate it is instead controlled by two local quantities: alignment and descent potential. Ultimately, each optimizer must tune its step size around these two quantities. While their dynamics are difficult to predict a-priori, evaluating them within a stochastic random feature model yields a precise insight: Muon succeeds not by tracking an ideal global geometry, but by guaranteeing step-size optimality.
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- 2026The Spectral Dynamics and Noise Geometry of Muoncited by 3
- 2026Tight Complexity of Muon under Heavy-Tailed Noisecited by 2
- 2026Overcoming Rank Collapse in Feedback Alignmentcited by 2
- 2026When to use what Schatten-p norm in deep learning?cited by 2
- 2026Hierarchical Muon: Tiled Newton-Schulz Updates for Efficient Muon Optimizationcited by 2
- 2026Double Preconditioning (DoPr): Optimization for Test-Time Performance, not Validation Losscited by 1
- 2026Muse: Representation Geometry of Muon Beyond Normalized Momentumcited by 1
- 2026Muon as a Residual Connectioncited by 0
- 2026OmniOpt: Taxonomy, Geometry, and Benchmarking of Modern Optimizerscited by 0
- 2026The Drift Contract: Spectral Updates for Depth-Robust Local Learningcited by 0
- 2026Does Muon Need Fine-Grained Spectral Shaping?cited by 0
- 2026Optimizing Large Language Models with Chained LMOscited by 0
- 2026From Parallel to Sequential: Small-Batch Noise Restores Simplicity Bias of Muon12 Oct 2026
- 2026Non-Euclidean Gradient Descent Has Many Edges of Stability10 Oct 2026
- 2026Optimizing Large Language Models with Chained LMOs7 Oct 2026
- 2026Does Muon Need Fine-Grained Spectral Shaping?5 Oct 2026
- 2026The Drift Contract: Spectral Updates for Depth-Robust Local Learning16 Sep 2026
- 2026Muse: Representation Geometry of Muon Beyond Normalized Momentum16 Jul 2026
- 2026OmniOpt: Taxonomy, Geometry, and Benchmarking of Modern Optimizers4 Jul 2026
- 2026Muon as a Residual Connection1 Jul 2026
- 2026Hierarchical Muon: Tiled Newton-Schulz Updates for Efficient Muon Optimization25 Jun 2026
- 2026When to use what Schatten-p norm in deep learning?13 Jun 2026
- 2026Overcoming Rank Collapse in Feedback Alignment9 Jun 2026
- 2026The Spectral Dynamics and Noise Geometry of Muon7 Jun 2026
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- 2026The Spectral Dynamics and Noise Geometry of Muoncited by 3
- 2026Tight Complexity of Muon under Heavy-Tailed Noisecited by 2
- 2026Overcoming Rank Collapse in Feedback Alignmentcited by 2
- 2026When to use what Schatten-p norm in deep learning?cited by 2
- 2026Hierarchical Muon: Tiled Newton-Schulz Updates for Efficient Muon Optimizationcited by 2
- 2026Double Preconditioning (DoPr): Optimization for Test-Time Performance, not Validation Losscited by 1
- 2026Muse: Representation Geometry of Muon Beyond Normalized Momentumcited by 1
- 2026Muon as a Residual Connectioncited by 0
- 2026OmniOpt: Taxonomy, Geometry, and Benchmarking of Modern Optimizerscited by 0
- 2026The Drift Contract: Spectral Updates for Depth-Robust Local Learningcited by 0
- 2026Does Muon Need Fine-Grained Spectral Shaping?cited by 0
- 2026Optimizing Large Language Models with Chained LMOscited by 0
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- 2026From Parallel to Sequential: Small-Batch Noise Restores Simplicity Bias of Muon12 Oct 2026
- 2026Non-Euclidean Gradient Descent Has Many Edges of Stability10 Oct 2026
- 2026Optimizing Large Language Models with Chained LMOs7 Oct 2026
- 2026Does Muon Need Fine-Grained Spectral Shaping?5 Oct 2026
- 2026The Drift Contract: Spectral Updates for Depth-Robust Local Learning16 Sep 2026
- 2026Muse: Representation Geometry of Muon Beyond Normalized Momentum16 Jul 2026
- 2026OmniOpt: Taxonomy, Geometry, and Benchmarking of Modern Optimizers4 Jul 2026
- 2026Muon as a Residual Connection1 Jul 2026
- 2026Hierarchical Muon: Tiled Newton-Schulz Updates for Efficient Muon Optimization25 Jun 2026
- 2026When to use what Schatten-p norm in deep learning?13 Jun 2026
- 2026Overcoming Rank Collapse in Feedback Alignment9 Jun 2026
- 2026The Spectral Dynamics and Noise Geometry of Muon7 Jun 2026
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