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An Exploration of Non-Euclidean Gradient Descent: Muon and its Many Variants

arXiv 2510.09827 ↗First posted 10 Oct 2025cs.LG stat.MLcited by 28

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Abstract (arXiv)

To define a steepest descent method over a neural network, we need to choose a norm for each layer, a way to aggregate these norms across layers, and whether to use normalization. We systematically explore different alternatives for aggregating norms across layers, both formalizing existing combinations of Adam and the recently proposed Muon as a type of non-Euclidean gradient descent, and deriving new variants of the Muon optimizer. Through a comprehensive experimental evaluation of the optimizers within our framework, we find that Muon is sensitive to the choice of learning rate, whereas a new variant we call MuonMax is significantly more robust. We then show how to combine any non-Euclidean gradient method with model based momentum (known as Momo). The new Momo variants of Muon are significantly more robust to hyperparameter tuning, and often achieve a better validation score. Thus for new tasks, where the optimal hyperparameters are not known, we advocate for using Momo in combination with MuonMax to save on costly hyperparameter tuning.

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  1. 2024The FineWeb Datasets: Decanting the Web for the Finest Text Data at Scalecited by 1,160
  2. 2025Muon is Scalable for LLM Trainingcited by 428
  3. 2025Training Deep Learning Models with Norm-Constrained LMOscited by 192
  4. 2018Stochastic model-based minimization of weakly convex functionscited by 159
  5. 2017Dissecting Adam: The Sign, Magnitude and Variance of Stochastic Gradientscited by 139
  6. 2020Stochastic Polyak Step-size for SGD: An Adaptive Learning Rate for Fast Convergencecited by 137
  7. 2025The Polar Express: Optimal Matrix Sign Methods and Their Application to the Muon Algorithmcited by 110
  8. 2025Understanding Gradient Orthogonalization for Deep Learning via Non-Euclidean Trust-Region Optimizationcited by 92
  9. 2025A Note on the Convergence of Muoncited by 83
  10. 2024Modular Duality in Deep Learningcited by 77
  11. 2025Gluon: Making Muon & Scion Great Again! (Bridging Theory and Practice of LMO-based Optimizers for LLMs)cited by 72
  12. 2024Scalable Optimization in the Modular Normcited by 68
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  1. 2018Stochastic (Approximate) Proximal Point Methods: Convergence, Optimality, and Adaptivitycited by 61
  2. 2025PolarGrad: A Class of Matrix-Gradient Optimizers from a Unifying Preconditioning Perspectivecited by 52
  3. 2025Implicit Bias of Spectral Descent and Muon on Multiclass Separable Datacited by 41
  4. 2025In Search of Adam's Secret Saucecited by 40
  5. 2019The importance of better models in stochastic optimizationcited by 32
  6. 2023MoMo: Momentum Models for Adaptive Learning Ratescited by 24
  7. 2024Flavors of Margin: Implicit Bias of Steepest Descent in Homogeneous Neural Networkscited by 18
  8. 2023A Stochastic Proximal Polyak Step Sizecited by 15
  9. 2022Implicit Parameter-free Online Learning with Truncated Linear Modelscited by 8
  10. 2023A Model-Based Method for Minimizing CVaR and Beyondcited by 5

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  1. 2025Isotropic Curvature Model for Understanding Deep Learning Optimization: Is Gradient Orthogonalization Optimal?cited by 37
  2. 2026The Newton-Muon Optimizercited by 18
  3. 2026Adam Improves Muon: Adaptive Moment Estimation with Orthogonalized Momentumcited by 14
  4. 2026Muon is Not That Special: Random or Inverted Spectra Work Just as Wellcited by 14
  5. 2026On the Width Scaling of Neural Optimizers Under Matrix Operator Norms I: Row/Column Normalization and Hyperparameter Transfercited by 12
  6. 2025Preconditioned Norms: A Unified Framework for Steepest Descent, Quasi-Newton and Adaptive Methodscited by 11
  7. 2026Enhancing LLM Training via Spectral Clippingcited by 10
  8. 2026Muon Does Not Converge on Convex Lipschitz Functionscited by 9
  9. 2025Non-Euclidean SGD for Structured Optimization: Unified Analysis and Improved Ratescited by 8
  10. 2026Manifold constrained steepest descent for smooth and closed-set optimizationcited by 8
  11. 2026On the Role of Batch Size in Stochastic Conditional Gradient Methodscited by 7
  12. 2026Intrinsic Muon: Spectral Optimization on Riemannian Matrix Manifoldscited by 6
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  1. 2026Spectral Flattening Is All Muon Needs: How Orthogonalization Controls Learning Rate and Convergencecited by 5
  2. 2026OLion: Approaching the Hadamard Ideal by Intersecting Spectral and ℓ∞ Implicit Biasescited by 3
  3. 2026Optimistic Dual Averaging Unifies Modern Optimizerscited by 3
  4. 2026CacheMuon: Using Temporal Preconditioning To Approximate Polar Factorcited by 3
  5. 2026When and Why SignSGD Outperforms SGD: A Theoretical Study Based on ℓ1-norm Lower Boundscited by 2
  6. 2026Towards Understanding the Power and Limits of the Muon Optimizer: A River-Valley Perspectivecited by 2
  7. 2026PoLoRA: A Preconditioned Orthogonalized LoRA Optimizercited by 2
  8. 2026Convergence Rate Analysis of the AdamW-style Shampoo: Unifying One-Sided and Two-Sided Preconditioningcited by 1
  9. 2026Double Preconditioning (DoPr): Optimization for Test-Time Performance, not Validation Losscited by 1
  10. 2026Optimization Geometrodynamics: Variational Reduction and Interaction Curvaturecited by 1
  11. 2026Beyond the Matrix Sign: Quadratic Spectral Descentcited by 1
  12. 2026Step-Size Stability in Stochastic Optimization: A Theoretical Perspectivecited by 0
  13. 2026Causal Optimizer Interaction Calculus: Hidden Geometric Relaxation and Identifiable Interventionscited by 0
  14. 2026Optimizers for Diffusion Models: A Controlled Benchmarkcited by 0
  15. 2026SoftServe: A Scalable Quasi-Newton Method for Deep Learningcited by 0
  16. 2026Optimizing Large Language Models with Chained LMOscited by 0