Sign-Based Optimizers Are Effective Under Heavy-Tailed Noise
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While adaptive gradient methods are the workhorse of modern machine learning, sign-based optimization algorithms such as Lion and Muon have recently demonstrated superior empirical performance over AdamW in training large language models (LLM). However, a theoretical understanding of why sign-based updates outperform variance-adapted methods remains elusive. In this paper, we aim to bridge the gap between theory and practice through the lens of heavy-tailed gradient noise, a phenomenon frequently observed in language modeling tasks. Theoretically, we introduce a novel generalized heavy-tailed noise condition that captures the behavior of LLMs more accurately than standard finite variance assumptions. Under this noise model, we establish sharp convergence rates of SignSGD and Lion for generalized smooth function classes, matching or surpassing previous best-known bounds. Furthermore, we extend our analysis to Muon and Muonlight, providing what is, to our knowledge, the first rigorous analysis of matrix optimization under heavy-tailed stochasticity. These results offer a strong theoretical justification for the empirical superiority of sign-based optimizers, showcasing that they are naturally suited to handle the noisy gradients associated with heavy tails. Empirically, LLM pretraining experiments validate our theoretical insights and confirm that our proposed noise models are well-aligned with practice.
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- 2026The Newton-Muon Optimizercited by 14
- 2026Muon is Not That Special: Random or Inverted Spectra Work Just as Wellcited by 8
- 2026StoSignSGD: Unbiased Structural Stochasticity Fixes SignSGD for Training Large Language Modelscited by 4
- 2026When and Why SignSGD Outperforms SGD: A Theoretical Study Based on ℓ1-norm Lower Boundscited by 2
- 2026Scale-Invariant Neural Network Optimization: Norm Geometry and Heavy-Tailed Noisecited by 2
- 2026MiMuon: Mixed Muon Optimizer with Improved Generalization for Large Modelscited by 2
- 2026LionMuon: Alternating Spectral and Sign Descent for Efficient Trainingcited by 2
- 2026Open Problem: Is AdamW Effective Under Heavy-Tailed Noise?cited by 1
- 2026The Convergence Behavior of Adam under Heavy-Tailed Noisecited by 1
- 2026Second-Moment Memory in Coordinatewise Adamcited by 1
- 2026CLion: Efficient Cautious Lion Optimizer with Enhanced Generalizationcited by 0
- 2026Schattor: Schatten-family methods for deep learning optimizationcited by 0
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- 2026LionMuon: Alternating Spectral and Sign Descent for Efficient Training28 Sep 2026
- 2026Second-Moment Memory in Coordinatewise Adam16 Aug 2026
- 2026The Convergence Behavior of Adam under Heavy-Tailed Noise29 Jul 2026
- 2026Open Problem: Is AdamW Effective Under Heavy-Tailed Noise?22 Jun 2026
- 2026Schattor: Schatten-family methods for deep learning optimization14 Jun 2026
- 2026LionMuon: Alternating Spectral and Sign Descent for Efficient Training19 May 2026
- 2026MiMuon: Mixed Muon Optimizer with Improved Generalization for Large Models19 May 2026
- 2026Scale-Invariant Neural Network Optimization: Norm Geometry and Heavy-Tailed Noise18 May 2026
- 2026Muon is Not That Special: Random or Inverted Spectra Work Just as Well11 May 2026
- 2026When and Why SignSGD Outperforms SGD: A Theoretical Study Based on ℓ1-norm Lower Bounds7 May 2026
- 2026StoSignSGD: Unbiased Structural Stochasticity Fixes SignSGD for Training Large Language Models16 Apr 2026
- 2026CLion: Efficient Cautious Lion Optimizer with Enhanced Generalization16 Apr 2026
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- 2026The Newton-Muon Optimizer1 Apr 2026
- 2026The Newton-Muon Optimizercited by 14
- 2026Muon is Not That Special: Random or Inverted Spectra Work Just as Wellcited by 8
- 2026StoSignSGD: Unbiased Structural Stochasticity Fixes SignSGD for Training Large Language Modelscited by 4
- 2026When and Why SignSGD Outperforms SGD: A Theoretical Study Based on ℓ1-norm Lower Boundscited by 2
- 2026Scale-Invariant Neural Network Optimization: Norm Geometry and Heavy-Tailed Noisecited by 2
- 2026MiMuon: Mixed Muon Optimizer with Improved Generalization for Large Modelscited by 2
- 2026LionMuon: Alternating Spectral and Sign Descent for Efficient Trainingcited by 2
- 2026Open Problem: Is AdamW Effective Under Heavy-Tailed Noise?cited by 1
- 2026The Convergence Behavior of Adam under Heavy-Tailed Noisecited by 1
- 2026Second-Moment Memory in Coordinatewise Adamcited by 1
- 2026CLion: Efficient Cautious Lion Optimizer with Enhanced Generalizationcited by 0
- 2026Schattor: Schatten-family methods for deep learning optimizationcited by 0
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- 2026LionMuon: Alternating Spectral and Sign Descent for Efficient Training28 Sep 2026
- 2026Second-Moment Memory in Coordinatewise Adam16 Aug 2026
- 2026The Convergence Behavior of Adam under Heavy-Tailed Noise29 Jul 2026
- 2026Open Problem: Is AdamW Effective Under Heavy-Tailed Noise?22 Jun 2026
- 2026Schattor: Schatten-family methods for deep learning optimization14 Jun 2026
- 2026LionMuon: Alternating Spectral and Sign Descent for Efficient Training19 May 2026
- 2026MiMuon: Mixed Muon Optimizer with Improved Generalization for Large Models19 May 2026
- 2026Scale-Invariant Neural Network Optimization: Norm Geometry and Heavy-Tailed Noise18 May 2026
- 2026Muon is Not That Special: Random or Inverted Spectra Work Just as Well11 May 2026
- 2026When and Why SignSGD Outperforms SGD: A Theoretical Study Based on ℓ1-norm Lower Bounds7 May 2026
- 2026StoSignSGD: Unbiased Structural Stochasticity Fixes SignSGD for Training Large Language Models16 Apr 2026
- 2026CLion: Efficient Cautious Lion Optimizer with Enhanced Generalization16 Apr 2026
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