RL in Name Only? Analyzing the Structural Assumptions in RL post-training for LLMs
On the map: LLM reasoning → Reinforcement learning for reasoning
Abstract (arXiv)
Reinforcement learning based post-training of large language models (LLMs) has recently gained attention, particularly following the release of DeepSeek R1, which applied GRPO for fine-tuning. Amid the growing claims around improved reasoning abilities attributed to RL post-training, we critically examine the formulation and assumptions underlying these methods. We start by highlighting popular structural assumptions made in modeling LLM training as an MDP, and show how they lead to a degenerate MDP, that characterizes the problem as a contextual bandit, where RL updates naturally collapse into a form of on-policy variant of outcome-driven supervised learning. The two critical structural assumptions include (1) making the MDP states be just a concatenation of the actions with states becoming the context window and the actions becoming the tokens in LLMs and (2) splitting the reward of a state-action trajectory uniformly across the trajectory. Our comprehensive analysis demonstrates that, due to these simplifying assumptions, GRPO objective reduces to filtered Iterative SFT, an on-policy variant of supervised fine-tuning. Our experiments on benchmarks including GSM8K and Countdown, across a diverse set of model families show that Filtered Iterative SFT, incorporating both positive and negative samples, achieves performance comparable to GRPO-based training. We also show that these structural assumptions indirectly incentivize RL to generate longer sequences of intermediate tokens which in turn feeds into the narrative of "RL incentivizing thinking because it generates longer thinking traces."
Key facts. Cited by 7 papers in the map (data through 7 Oct 2026). Placed in Reinforcement learning for reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning. Builds on 23 of its 32 references that are in the map. First posted on arXiv 19 May 2025.
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23 of 32 references.
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- 2025DAPO: An Open-Source LLM Reinforcement Learning System at Scale18 Mar
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- 2025DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via Reinforcement Learning22 Jan
- 2025Kimi k1.5: Scaling Reinforcement Learning with LLMs22 Jan
- 2023RAFT: Reward rAnked FineTuning for Generative Foundation Model Alignment13 Apr
- 2017Proximal Policy Optimization Algorithms20 Jul
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- 2025Local Coherence or Global Validity? Investigating RLVR Traces in Math Domains20 Oct 2025
- 2025Can GRPO Help LLMs Transcend Their Pretraining Origin?14 Oct 2025
- 2025Reinforcement Learning Meets Large Language Models: A Survey of Advancements and Applications Across the LLM Lifecycle20 Sep 2025
- 2025AVATAR: Reinforcement Learning to See, Hear, and Reason Over Video5 Aug 2025
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