VL Norm: Rethink Loss Aggregation in RLVR
On the map: LLM reasoning → Reinforcement learning for reasoning
Abstract (arXiv)
We propose VL Norm (Variance-reduced Length-dependent Normalization), a simple yet effective loss aggregation method tailored to the characteristic of dynamic generation lengths in Reinforcement Learning with Verifiable Rewards (RLVR). Recently, RLVR has demonstrated strong potential in improving the reasoning capabilities of large language models (LLMs), but a major challenge lies in the large variability of response lengths during training, which leads to high gradient variance and unstable optimization. Although previous methods such as GRPO, DAPO, and Dr. GRPO introduce different loss normalization terms to address this issue, they either produce biased estimates or still suffer from high gradient variance. By analyzing the effect of varying lengths on policy loss both theoretically and empirically, we reformulate the problem as finding a minimum-variance unbiased estimator. Our proposed VL Norm not only provides an unbiased estimate of the true policy loss but also minimizes gradient variance in theory. Besides, VL Norm is easy to implement with less than 10 lines of code change. Extensive experiments show that it consistently achieves superior results across different model sizes, maximum lengths, and tasks. When integrated into the state-of-the-art RL algorithm DAPO, it achieves up to 2.67x faster convergence on the CountDown task. Our code is public at https://github.com/zerolllin/Delta-L-Normalization.
Key facts. Cited by 4 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026). Placed in Reinforcement learning for reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning. Builds on 16 of its 22 references that are in the map. First posted on arXiv 9 Sep 2025.
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- 2025DAPO: An Open-Source LLM Reinforcement Learning System at Scale18 Mar
- 2025DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via Reinforcement Learning22 Jan
- 2025Kimi k1.5: Scaling Reinforcement Learning with LLMs22 Jan
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- 2025The Debate on RLVR Reasoning Capability Boundary: Shrinkage, Expansion, or Both? A Two-Stage Dynamic Viewcited by 13
- 2026Advantage Collapse in Group Relative Policy Optimization: Diagnosis and Mitigationcited by 7
- 2026Think, then Score: Decoupled Reasoning and Scoring for Video Reward Modelingcited by 2
- 2026Group Pattern Selection Optimization: Let LRMs Pick the Right Pattern for Reasoningcited by 1
- 2026Advantage Collapse in Group Relative Policy Optimization: Diagnosis and Mitigation20 May 2026
- 2026Think, then Score: Decoupled Reasoning and Scoring for Video Reward Modeling7 May 2026
- 2026Group Pattern Selection Optimization: Let LRMs Pick the Right Pattern for Reasoning12 Jan 2026
- 2025The Debate on RLVR Reasoning Capability Boundary: Shrinkage, Expansion, or Both? A Two-Stage Dynamic View5 Oct 2025
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