Recipes for Pre-training LLMs with MXFP8
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Using fewer bits to represent model parameters and related tensors during pre-training has become a required technique for improving GPU efficiency without sacrificing accuracy. Microscaling (MX) formats introduced in NVIDIA Blackwell generation of GPUs represent a major advancement of this technique, making it practical to combine narrow floating-point data types with finer granularity per-block scaling factors. In turn, this enables both quantization of more tensors than previous approaches and more efficient execution of operations on those tensors. Effective use of MX-formats requires careful choices of various parameters. In this paper we review these choices and show how MXFP8-E4M3 datatype and a specific number conversion algorithm result in training sessions that match those carried out in BF16. We present results using models with up to 8B parameters, trained on high-quality datasets of up to 15T tokens.
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- 2026OSP-Next: Efficient High-Quality Video Generation with Sparse Sequence Parallelism, HiF8 Quantization, and Reinforcement Learning27 May 2026
- 2026StoSignSGD: Unbiased Structural Stochasticity Fixes SignSGD for Training Large Language Models16 Apr 2026
- 2026BATQuant: Outlier-resilient MXFP4 Quantization via Learnable Block-wise Optimization17 Mar 2026
- 2026MXNorm: Reusing MXFP block scales for efficient tensor normalisation13 Mar 2026
- 2026pQuant: Towards Effective Low-Bit Language Models via Decoupled Linear Quantization-Aware Training26 Feb 2026
- 2026Performance of Small Language Model Pretraining on FABRIC: An Empirical Study2 Feb 2026
- 2026Benchmarking Post-Training Quantization of Large Language Models under Microscaling Floating Point Formats14 Jan 2026
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- 2025Four Over Six: More Accurate NVFP4 Quantization with Adaptive Block Scaling1 Dec 2025
- 2025CafeQ: Calibration-free Quantization via Learned Transformations and Adaptive Rounding24 Nov 2025
- 2025INT v.s. FP: A Comprehensive Study of Fine-Grained Low-bit Quantization Formats29 Oct 2025
- 2025Pretraining Large Language Models with NVFP429 Sep 2025
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- 2025Elucidating the Design Space of FP4 training22 Sep 2025
- 2025Pretraining Large Language Models with NVFP4cited by 67
- 2025Four Over Six: More Accurate NVFP4 Quantization with Adaptive Block Scalingcited by 29
- 2025INT v.s. FP: A Comprehensive Study of Fine-Grained Low-bit Quantization Formatscited by 16
- 2026Benchmarking Post-Training Quantization of Large Language Models under Microscaling Floating Point Formatscited by 8
- 2026BATQuant: Outlier-resilient MXFP4 Quantization via Learnable Block-wise Optimizationcited by 5
- 2025Elucidating the Design Space of FP4 trainingcited by 4
- 2026StoSignSGD: Unbiased Structural Stochasticity Fixes SignSGD for Training Large Language Modelscited by 4
- 2026Stable FP4 Training via Transposition-Invariant Block Quantizationcited by 3
- 2025CafeQ: Calibration-free Quantization via Learned Transformations and Adaptive Roundingcited by 1
- 2026SOAP, Muon, and Beyond: Pushing LLM Pretraining Scalescited by 1
- 2026Performance of Small Language Model Pretraining on FABRIC: An Empirical Studycited by 0
- 2026pQuant: Towards Effective Low-Bit Language Models via Decoupled Linear Quantization-Aware Trainingcited by 0
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- 2026Backward-State Policy Is Part of the Learning Algorithm30 Sep 2026
- 2026Stable FP4 Training via Transposition-Invariant Block Quantization27 Jul 2026
- 2026ACRL: Adaptive Control of Training-Inference Discrepancy for Stable Reinforcement Learning27 Jul 2026
- 2026SOAP, Muon, and Beyond: Pushing LLM Pretraining Scales13 Jul 2026
- 2026Stochastic Rounding Increases Small Singular Values29 May 2026
- 2026StoSignSGD: Unbiased Structural Stochasticity Fixes SignSGD for Training Large Language Models16 Apr 2026
- 2026BATQuant: Outlier-resilient MXFP4 Quantization via Learnable Block-wise Optimization17 Mar 2026
- 2026MXNorm: Reusing MXFP block scales for efficient tensor normalisation13 Mar 2026
- 2026pQuant: Towards Effective Low-Bit Language Models via Decoupled Linear Quantization-Aware Training26 Feb 2026
- 2026Performance of Small Language Model Pretraining on FABRIC: An Empirical Study2 Feb 2026
- 2026Benchmarking Post-Training Quantization of Large Language Models under Microscaling Floating Point Formats14 Jan 2026
- 2025Four Over Six: More Accurate NVFP4 Quantization with Adaptive Block Scaling1 Dec 2025
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