A Large Batch Optimizer Reality Check: Traditional, Generic Optimizers Suffice Across Batch Sizes
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Recently the LARS and LAMB optimizers have been proposed for training neural networks faster using large batch sizes. LARS and LAMB add layer-wise normalization to the update rules of Heavy-ball momentum and Adam, respectively, and have become popular in prominent benchmarks and deep learning libraries. However, without fair comparisons to standard optimizers, it remains an open question whether LARS and LAMB have any benefit over traditional, generic algorithms. In this work we demonstrate that standard optimization algorithms such as Nesterov momentum and Adam can match or exceed the results of LARS and LAMB at large batch sizes. Our results establish new, stronger baselines for future comparisons at these batch sizes and shed light on the difficulties of comparing optimizers for neural network training more generally.
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- 2022Adaptive Gradient Methods with Local Guaranteescited by 8
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- 2024The Case for Co-Designing Model Architectures with Hardware25 Jan 2024
- 2023Transformer-based Named Entity Recognition in Construction Supply Chain Risk Management in Australia23 Nov 2023
- 2023Accelerating Large Batch Training via Gradient Signal to Noise Ratio (GSNR)24 Sep 2023
- 2023Beyond Implicit Bias: The Insignificance of SGD Noise in Online Learning14 Jun 2023
- 2023Noise Is Not the Main Factor Behind the Gap Between SGD and Adam on Transformers, but Sign Descent Might Be27 Apr 2023
- 2023The Disharmony between BN and ReLU Causes Gradient Explosion, but is Offset by the Correlation between Activations23 Apr 2023
- 2022Adan: Adaptive Nesterov Momentum Algorithm for Faster Optimizing Deep Models13 Aug 2022
- 2022Provable Acceleration of Nesterov's Accelerated Gradient Method over Heavy Ball Method in Training Over-Parameterized Neural Networks8 Aug 2022
- 2022Adaptive Gradient Methods with Local Guarantees2 Mar 2022
- 2022ScaLA: Accelerating Adaptation of Pre-Trained Transformer-Based Language Models via Efficient Large-Batch Adversarial Noise29 Jan 2022
- 2021Predicting the utility of search spaces for black-box optimization: a simple, budget-aware approach15 Dec 2021
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