Understanding Approximate Fisher Information for Fast Convergence of Natural Gradient Descent in Wide Neural Networks
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Natural Gradient Descent (NGD) helps to accelerate the convergence of gradient descent dynamics, but it requires approximations in large-scale deep neural networks because of its high computational cost. Empirical studies have confirmed that some NGD methods with approximate Fisher information converge sufficiently fast in practice. Nevertheless, it remains unclear from the theoretical perspective why and under what conditions such heuristic approximations work well. In this work, we reveal that, under specific conditions, NGD with approximate Fisher information achieves the same fast convergence to global minima as exact NGD. We consider deep neural networks in the infinite-width limit, and analyze the asymptotic training dynamics of NGD in function space via the neural tangent kernel. In the function space, the training dynamics with the approximate Fisher information are identical to those with the exact Fisher information, and they converge quickly. The fast convergence holds in layer-wise approximations; for instance, in block diagonal approximation where each block corresponds to a layer as well as in block tri-diagonal and K-FAC approximations. We also find that a unit-wise approximation achieves the same fast convergence under some assumptions. All of these different approximations have an isotropic gradient in the function space, and this plays a fundamental role in achieving the same convergence properties in training. Thus, the current study gives a novel and unified theoretical foundation with which to understand NGD methods in deep learning.
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- 2024Local Loss Optimization in the Infinite Width: Stable Parameterization of Predictive Coding Networks and Target Propagationcited by 4
- 2021SCORE: Approximating Curvature Information under Self-Concordant Regularizationcited by 3
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- 2025AdaBet: Gradient-free Layer Selection for Efficient Training of Deep Neural Networkscited by 1
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- 2026Center-Manifold Reduction of Learning at Bifurcations: Interference and Rich Learning in Recurrent Neural Networks12 May 2026
- 2026Convergence Analysis of Newton's Method for Neural Networks in the Overparameterized Limit8 May 2026
- 2026Efficient Bilevel Optimization with KFAC-Based Hypergradients31 Mar 2026
- 2026Takeuchi's Information Criteria as Generalization Measures for DNNs Close to NTK Regime26 Feb 2026
- 2025AdaBet: Gradient-free Layer Selection for Efficient Training of Deep Neural Networks3 Oct 2025
- 2025Fishers for Free? Approximating the Fisher Information Matrix by Recycling the Squared Gradient Accumulator24 Jul 2025
- 2025Convergence Properties of Natural Gradient Descent for Minimizing KL Divergence27 Apr 2025
- 2024Local Loss Optimization in the Infinite Width: Stable Parameterization of Predictive Coding Networks and Target Propagation4 Nov 2024
- 2024Regularized Gauss-Newton for Optimizing Overparameterized Neural Networks23 Apr 2024
- 2024Trade-Offs of Diagonal Fisher Information Matrix Estimators8 Feb 2024
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- 2023On the Parameterization of Second-Order Optimization Effective Towards the Infinite Width19 Dec 2023
- 2023Modify Training Directions in Function Space to Reduce Generalization Error25 Jul 2023
- 2023Analysis and Comparison of Two-Level KFAC Methods for Training Deep Neural Networks31 Mar 2023
- 2023The Geometry of Neural Nets' Parameter Spaces Under Reparametrization14 Feb 2023
- 2023Rethinking Gauss-Newton for learning over-parameterized models6 Feb 2023
- 2022Component-Wise Natural Gradient Descent -- An Efficient Neural Network Optimization11 Oct 2022
- 2022Learning Representation from Neural Fisher Kernel with Low-rank Approximation4 Feb 2022
- 2021SCORE: Approximating Curvature Information under Self-Concordant Regularization14 Dec 2021
- 2021Nys-Newton: Nystr"om-Approximated Curvature for Stochastic Optimization16 Oct 2021
- 2021TENGraD: Time-Efficient Natural Gradient Descent with Exact Fisher-Block Inversion7 Jun 2021
- 2023The Geometry of Neural Nets' Parameter Spaces Under Reparametrizationcited by 16
- 2023On the Parameterization of Second-Order Optimization Effective Towards the Infinite Widthcited by 15
- 2025Fishers for Free? Approximating the Fisher Information Matrix by Recycling the Squared Gradient Accumulatorcited by 14
- 2024Trade-Offs of Diagonal Fisher Information Matrix Estimatorscited by 10
- 2021TENGraD: Time-Efficient Natural Gradient Descent with Exact Fisher-Block Inversioncited by 7
- 2023Rethinking Gauss-Newton for learning over-parameterized modelscited by 6
- 2021Nys-Newton: Nystr"om-Approximated Curvature for Stochastic Optimizationcited by 4
- 2022Learning Representation from Neural Fisher Kernel with Low-rank Approximationcited by 4
- 2024Local Loss Optimization in the Infinite Width: Stable Parameterization of Predictive Coding Networks and Target Propagationcited by 4
- 2021SCORE: Approximating Curvature Information under Self-Concordant Regularizationcited by 3
- 2024Regularized Gauss-Newton for Optimizing Overparameterized Neural Networkscited by 3
- 2025AdaBet: Gradient-free Layer Selection for Efficient Training of Deep Neural Networkscited by 1
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- 2026Predictive Geometry of Hidden Trajectories in Transformers29 Sep 2026
- 2026Canonical Regularisation of Wide Feature-Learning Neural Networks18 May 2026
- 2026Center-Manifold Reduction of Learning at Bifurcations: Interference and Rich Learning in Recurrent Neural Networks12 May 2026
- 2026Convergence Analysis of Newton's Method for Neural Networks in the Overparameterized Limit8 May 2026
- 2026Efficient Bilevel Optimization with KFAC-Based Hypergradients31 Mar 2026
- 2026Takeuchi's Information Criteria as Generalization Measures for DNNs Close to NTK Regime26 Feb 2026
- 2025AdaBet: Gradient-free Layer Selection for Efficient Training of Deep Neural Networks3 Oct 2025
- 2025Fishers for Free? Approximating the Fisher Information Matrix by Recycling the Squared Gradient Accumulator24 Jul 2025
- 2025Convergence Properties of Natural Gradient Descent for Minimizing KL Divergence27 Apr 2025
- 2024Local Loss Optimization in the Infinite Width: Stable Parameterization of Predictive Coding Networks and Target Propagation4 Nov 2024
- 2024Regularized Gauss-Newton for Optimizing Overparameterized Neural Networks23 Apr 2024
- 2024Trade-Offs of Diagonal Fisher Information Matrix Estimators8 Feb 2024
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