Flatness is a False Friend
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Hessian based measures of flatness, such as the trace, Frobenius and spectral norms, have been argued, used and shown to relate to generalisation. In this paper we demonstrate that for feed forward neural networks under the cross entropy loss, we would expect low loss solutions with large weights to have small Hessian based measures of flatness. This implies that solutions obtained using L2 regularisation should in principle be sharper than those without, despite generalising better. We show this to be true for logistic regression, multi-layer perceptrons, simple convolutional, pre-activated and wide residual networks on the MNIST and CIFAR-100 datasets. Furthermore, we show that for adaptive optimisation algorithms using iterate averaging, on the VGG-16 network and CIFAR-100 dataset, achieve superior generalisation to SGD but are 30 × sharper. This theoretical finding, along with experimental results, raises serious questions about the validity of Hessian based sharpness measures in the discussion of generalisation. We further show that the Hessian rank can be bounded by the a constant times number of neurons multiplied by the number of classes, which in practice is often a small fraction of the network parameters. This explains the curious observation that many Hessian eigenvalues are either zero or very near zero which has been reported in the literature.
Key facts. Cited by 19 papers in the map (data through 7 Oct 2026). First posted on arXiv 16 Jun 2020.
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- 2023A Modern Look at the Relationship between Sharpness and Generalizationcited by 91
- 2022Adaptive Gradient Methods at the Edge of Stabilitycited by 88
- 2022On the Maximum Hessian Eigenvalue and Generalizationcited by 57
- 2021Taxonomizing local versus global structure in neural network loss landscapescited by 34
- 2023On the Implicit Bias of Adamcited by 25
- 2024The Persistence of Neural Collapse Despite Low-Rank Biascited by 12
- 2023On progressive sharpening, flat minima and generalisationcited by 6
- 2024Theoretical characterisation of the Gauss-Newton conditioning in Neural Networkscited by 5
- 2021A spin-glass model for the loss surfaces of generative adversarial networkscited by 4
- 2023Bringing the Discussion of Minima Sharpness to the Audio Domain: a Filter-Normalised Evaluation for Acoustic Scene Classificationcited by 4
- 2023The instabilities of large learning rate training: a loss landscape viewcited by 3
- 2024Sharpness-diversity tradeoff: improving flat ensembles with SharpBalancecited by 3
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- 2026Dynamics of Gradient Descent with Large Step Size Near a Manifold of Flat Minimacited by 1
- 2026Post-Training Science for Supervised Fine-Tuningcited by 1
- 2023SANE: The phases of gradient descent through Sharpness Adjusted Number of Effective parameterscited by 0
- 2023A simple connection from loss flatness to compressed neural representationscited by 0
- 2024In Search of the Successful Interpolation: On the Role of Sharpness in CLIP Generalizationcited by 0
- 2025Generalization of the Gibbs algorithm with high probability at low temperaturescited by 0
- 2025Information-Theoretic Greedy Layer-wise Training for Traffic Sign Recognitioncited by 0
- 2026Post-Training Science for Supervised Fine-Tuning1 Sep 2026
- 2026Dynamics of Gradient Descent with Large Step Size Near a Manifold of Flat Minima9 Jul 2026
- 2025Information-Theoretic Greedy Layer-wise Training for Traffic Sign Recognition31 Oct 2025
- 2025Generalization of the Gibbs algorithm with high probability at low temperatures16 Feb 2025
- 2024Theoretical characterisation of the Gauss-Newton conditioning in Neural Networks4 Nov 2024
- 2024The Persistence of Neural Collapse Despite Low-Rank Bias30 Oct 2024
- 2024In Search of the Successful Interpolation: On the Role of Sharpness in CLIP Generalization21 Oct 2024
- 2024Sharpness-diversity tradeoff: improving flat ensembles with SharpBalance17 Jul 2024
- 2023A simple connection from loss flatness to compressed neural representations3 Oct 2023
- 2023Bringing the Discussion of Minima Sharpness to the Audio Domain: a Filter-Normalised Evaluation for Acoustic Scene Classification28 Sep 2023
- 2023On the Implicit Bias of Adam31 Aug 2023
- 2023The instabilities of large learning rate training: a loss landscape view22 Jul 2023
7 more
- 2023SANE: The phases of gradient descent through Sharpness Adjusted Number of Effective parameters29 May 2023
- 2023On progressive sharpening, flat minima and generalisation24 May 2023
- 2023A Modern Look at the Relationship between Sharpness and Generalization14 Feb 2023
- 2022Adaptive Gradient Methods at the Edge of Stability29 Jul 2022
- 2022On the Maximum Hessian Eigenvalue and Generalization21 Jun 2022
- 2021Taxonomizing local versus global structure in neural network loss landscapes23 Jul 2021
- 2021A spin-glass model for the loss surfaces of generative adversarial networks7 Jan 2021
- 2026Post-Training Science for Supervised Fine-Tuningcited by 1
- 2026Post-Training Science for Supervised Fine-Tuning1 Sep 2026
- 2023A Modern Look at the Relationship between Sharpness and Generalizationcited by 91
- 2022Adaptive Gradient Methods at the Edge of Stabilitycited by 88
- 2022On the Maximum Hessian Eigenvalue and Generalizationcited by 57
- 2021Taxonomizing local versus global structure in neural network loss landscapescited by 34
- 2023On the Implicit Bias of Adamcited by 25
- 2024The Persistence of Neural Collapse Despite Low-Rank Biascited by 12
- 2023On progressive sharpening, flat minima and generalisationcited by 6
- 2024Theoretical characterisation of the Gauss-Newton conditioning in Neural Networkscited by 5
- 2021A spin-glass model for the loss surfaces of generative adversarial networkscited by 4
- 2023Bringing the Discussion of Minima Sharpness to the Audio Domain: a Filter-Normalised Evaluation for Acoustic Scene Classificationcited by 4
- 2023The instabilities of large learning rate training: a loss landscape viewcited by 3
- 2024Sharpness-diversity tradeoff: improving flat ensembles with SharpBalancecited by 3
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- 2026Dynamics of Gradient Descent with Large Step Size Near a Manifold of Flat Minima9 Jul 2026
- 2025Information-Theoretic Greedy Layer-wise Training for Traffic Sign Recognition31 Oct 2025
- 2025Generalization of the Gibbs algorithm with high probability at low temperatures16 Feb 2025
- 2024Theoretical characterisation of the Gauss-Newton conditioning in Neural Networks4 Nov 2024
- 2024The Persistence of Neural Collapse Despite Low-Rank Bias30 Oct 2024
- 2024In Search of the Successful Interpolation: On the Role of Sharpness in CLIP Generalization21 Oct 2024
- 2024Sharpness-diversity tradeoff: improving flat ensembles with SharpBalance17 Jul 2024
- 2023A simple connection from loss flatness to compressed neural representations3 Oct 2023
- 2023Bringing the Discussion of Minima Sharpness to the Audio Domain: a Filter-Normalised Evaluation for Acoustic Scene Classification28 Sep 2023
- 2023On the Implicit Bias of Adam31 Aug 2023
- 2023The instabilities of large learning rate training: a loss landscape view22 Jul 2023
- 2023SANE: The phases of gradient descent through Sharpness Adjusted Number of Effective parameters29 May 2023
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