# Why On-Policy Distillation Sometimes Fails: Vanishing Learning Signals

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.11247 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2610.11247/

## Key facts

- No citing papers in the map yet (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in On-policy and self-distillation for LLMs, one of 12 directions in Knowledge distillation.
- Builds on 23 of its 52 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 8 Oct 2026.

## Placed in

- Knowledge distillation / [On-policy and self-distillation for LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/distill/on-policy-and-self-distillation-for-llms/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 23 of 23)

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## Abstract (arXiv)

On-policy distillation (OPD) enables effective capability transfer between language models, yet the mechanisms underlying its failures are not fully understood. Across code generation and mathematical reasoning, OPD with larger-scale teachers exhibits early loss plateaus, with an average final loss reduction of 25.1% after 200 updates, compared with 96.2% for self-RL teachers, obtained by further reinforcement learning (RL) training of the initial student. To understand this difference, we analyze OPD as an idealized continuous-time dynamical system in the small-learning-rate limit. Our training-log diagnostics associate these plateaus with an early decline in a gradient-based learning-signal proxy while substantial loss remains; these measurements do not establish why the underlying gradient weakens. We further prove a local recovery guarantee for teachers sufficiently close to the initial student in a shared parameterization under regularity conditions, offering a conditional explanation for the success of self-RL teachers in our experiments. Across runs with and without loss plateaus, we observe small relative parameter changes (0.025-0.098%) and high similarity between the student's representations before and after OPD (linear CKA >0.98 across layers). These observations suggest that limited representation adaptation may contribute to learning-signal collapse, a hypothesis that remains to be tested. Code is available at https://github.com/leizhao7/opd-learning-signals.