# Learning Rate Transfer for Hybrid Transformer-SSM Architectures

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.01172 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2610.01172/

## Key facts

- No citing papers in the map yet (data through 14 Oct 2026).
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- First posted on arXiv 1 Oct 2026.

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## Abstract (arXiv)

We study learning rate (LR) scaling for hybrid architectures combining Transformer and State-Space Model (SSM) blocks, a class adopted by several recent production language models. In particular, we focus on the gap between the theoretical scaling rules derived for SSMs under zero-order-hold (ZOH) discretization at infinite width with growing state size, and the field-standard practical implementations using simplified-ZOH Mamba at fixed state size. Surprisingly, in this practical regime hybrid architectures achieve a near-zero LR transfer gap across widths 256-2048 and depths 4-32 up to billion-parameter scale using only the original μP prescription, even though SSM operations fall outside its Tensor Programs representability conditions and every parameterization we test fails the standard coordinate-check diagnostic of μP correctness. We attribute this to a two-condition decomposition of LR transfer in hybrid architectures: a global update-to-weight invariance, enforced by μP's initialization and LR scaling; and a local per-component balance, provided by AdamW's per-parameter normalization. Our observations show that the optimal LR is invariant to width up to 8×, that this width invariance holds across depth, sequence length, batch size, and Transformer-to-SSM ratio, and that it transfers to Nemotron-H, a production hybrid outside our custom architecture set. We hope these findings fill the gap between theoretical scaling rules and practical hybrid implementations, and stimulate further research toward bridging it.