# Privy to the Foil: Recasting Value Estimation with a Self-Privileged Critic for RLVR

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.37825 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.37825/

## Key facts

- No citing papers in the map yet (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Reinforcement learning for reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning.
- Builds on 29 of its 37 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 29 Sep 2026.

## Placed in

- LLM reasoning / [Reinforcement learning for reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/lr/reinforcement-learning-for-reasoning/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 29 of 29)

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## Abstract (arXiv)

Assigning credit to intermediate steps remains a central challenge in training Large Language Models (LLMs) on multi-step reasoning tasks with sparse terminal rewards, and actor-critic methods such as PPO address this by learning value functions to construct token-level advantages. Their effectiveness, however, hinges on reliable value estimation, a difficult task requiring the critic to both assess progress toward a correct solution and anticipate an evolving policy's future behavior; errors in either can compromise credit assignment and destabilize online training. In this paper, we revisit the standard state-only formulation of value estimation and propose πPPO, a self-privileged actor-critic framework. By reusing verified same-prompt rollouts as contrastive evidence, πPPO helps the critic assess intermediate reasoning against successful and failed attempts, while preserving standard policy optimization and the deployment interface. Experiments show that πPPO consistently improves value-estimation quality by a substantial margin and outperforms representative actor-critic and critic-free RLVR baselines on challenging mathematical reasoning benchmarks, while remaining effective even when paired with substantially smaller asymmetric critics.