# How Far Are We from Removing the Visual Encoder? Scaling Laws for Encoder-Free Multimodal Pretraining

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.35457 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.35457/

## Key facts

- No citing papers in the map yet (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in MLLM training and visual instruction tuning, one of 16 directions in Multimodal LLMs / vision-language models.
- Builds on 61 of its 66 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 28 Sep 2026.

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- Multimodal LLMs / vision-language models / [MLLM training and visual instruction tuning](https://mlsanity.com/mllm/mllm-training-and-visual-instruction-tuning/)

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## Abstract (arXiv)

Most modern multimodal large language models (MLLMs) build on a pretrained visual encoder that provides a strong visual prior. Encoder-free MLLMs instead learn visual representations directly from raw pixels, offering a simple and unified architecture, but their scaling behavior has not been systematically characterized. To fill this gap, we compare scaling laws for encoder-free and encoder-based MLLMs and report three main findings: (1) Removing the visual encoder shifts the compute-optimal allocation for the multimodal objective toward larger models, while leaving that for text nearly unchanged. (2) The two architectures exhibit nearly overlapping loss--compute frontiers on the text objective, but diverge on the multimodal objective: encoder-free models underperform at small scales yet are predicted to catch up at around 1022 FLOPs, well within practical pretraining budgets. (3) Without a visual encoder, the language model learns to take over its role via vision-specific adaptation: bidirectional interactions among visual tokens become increasingly beneficial as training compute grows, visual processing shifts toward earlier layers, and expert routing for visual tokens becomes more concentrated. Overall, our results indicate that the advantage of the visual prior provided by a pretrained encoder diminishes with scale, positioning encoder-free architectures as a promising direction for multimodal pretraining.