# Scaling Properties of Same-Family On-Policy Distillation

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.32722 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.32722/

## Key facts

- No citing papers in the map yet (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Reinforcement learning for reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning.
- Builds on 51 of its 60 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 26 Sep 2026.

## Placed in

- LLM reasoning / [Reinforcement learning for reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/lr/reinforcement-learning-for-reasoning/)
- Knowledge distillation / [On-policy and self-distillation for LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/distill/on-policy-and-self-distillation-for-llms/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 30 of 51)

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- [Scaling Laws for Neural Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2001.08361/) (2020)
- [Measuring Mathematical Problem Solving With the MATH Dataset](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2103.03874/) (2021)
- [Training Compute-Optimal Large Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2203.15556/) (2022)
- [Trust Region Policy Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1502.05477/) (2015)
- [HybridFlow: A Flexible and Efficient RLHF Framework](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2409.19256/) (2024)
- [Scaling Laws for Reward Model Overoptimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2210.10760/) (2022)
- [On-Policy Distillation of Language Models: Learning from Self-Generated Mistakes](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2306.13649/) (2023)
- [Sequence-Level Knowledge Distillation](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1606.07947/) (2016)
- [GLM-5: from Vibe Coding to Agentic Engineering](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.15763/) (2026)
- [Learning from Noisy Labels with Deep Neural Networks: A Survey](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2007.08199/) (2020)
- [Weak-to-Strong Generalization: Eliciting Strong Capabilities With Weak Supervision](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2312.09390/) (2023)
- [Rethinking On-Policy Distillation of Large Language Models: Phenomenology, Mechanism, and Recipe](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2604.13016/) (2026)
- [When Scaling Meets LLM Finetuning: The Effect of Data, Model and Finetuning Method](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2402.17193/) (2024)
- [MiMo-V2-Flash Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2601.02780/) (2026)
- [Learning beyond Teacher: Generalized On-Policy Distillation with Reward Extrapolation](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.12125/) (2026)
- [A Survey of On-Policy Distillation for Large Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2604.00626/) (2026)
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- [Scaling Laws for Reward Model Overoptimization in Direct Alignment Algorithms](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2406.02900/) (2024)
- [Self-Distilled RLVR](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2604.03128/) (2026)
- [The Art of Scaling Reinforcement Learning Compute for LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2510.13786/) (2025)
- [Scaling Reasoning Efficiently via Relaxed On-Policy Distillation](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2603.11137/) (2026)
- [Unifying Group-Relative and Self-Distillation Policy Optimization via Sample Routing](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2604.02288/) (2026)
- [What Makes a Reward Model a Good Teacher? An Optimization Perspective](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.15477/) (2025)
- [Distillation Scaling Laws](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.08606/) (2025)
- [Learning the Structure of Generative Models without Labeled Data](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1703.00854/) (2017)
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## Abstract (arXiv)

*Reinforcement learning (RL)* can induce substantial reasoning capabilities in large language models (LLMs), but how much of this capability transfers across model scales, and how quickly, remains unclear. We study the scaling properties of *on-policy distillation (OPD)* across *weak-to-strong*, *same-base*, and *strong-to-weak* teacher--student setups. We find that early OPD training dynamics uniformly exhibit a regular *useful-transfer* regime, in which held-out accuracy (the *gold score*, G) rises approximately linearly in d=√KL(πθ Vert πref), the square root of token-level reverse KL divergence from the student initialization. In every observed weak-to-strong pair, the student's peak gold score exceeds its teacher's own, so a compact RL expert can transfer capability to a much larger student via OPD. To estimate OPD outcomes, we fit *power laws* for how Gpeak and the slope of the useful-transfer regime scale with student and teacher parameter counts and with teacher gold score. These laws show that peak gold score improves with teacher scale only up to roughly the student's scale, and that at a matched gold score smaller teachers transfer better, so a teacher's score alone does not define its supervision value. We also study the scaling effects of two OPD variants, bootstrapping weak-to-strong OPD, and the degree of on-policy supervision.