# GVPO++: Group Variance Policy Optimization for LLM Post-Training and On-Policy Distillation

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.21432 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.21432/

## Key facts

- No citing papers in the map yet (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Reinforcement learning for reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning.
- Builds on 44 of its 56 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 18 Sep 2026.

## Placed in

- LLM reasoning / [Reinforcement learning for reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/lr/reinforcement-learning-for-reasoning/)
- Knowledge distillation / [On-policy and self-distillation for LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/distill/on-policy-and-self-distillation-for-llms/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 30 of 44)

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- [Sequence-Level Knowledge Distillation](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1606.07947/) (2016)
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## Abstract (arXiv)

Post-training plays a pivotal role in enhancing the reasoning capabilities and task-specific expertise of large language models (LLMs). Despite recent advances in post-training methods, such as Group Relative Policy Optimization (GRPO), their practical deployment remains impeded by training instability arising from the reliance on importance sampling. We introduce Group Variance Policy Optimization (GVPO), a novel post-training method that integrates the analytical solution of KL-constrained reward maximization into its gradient weighting scheme. This formulation provides an intuitive interpretation: GVPO's gradient corresponds to the mean squared error between the central distance of implicit rewards and that of actual rewards. GVPO offers two key advantages: (1) it guarantees a unique optimal solution, exactly to the KL-constrained reward maximization objective, and (2) it enables flexible sampling distributions without requiring importance sampling. Beyond general post-training, we show that GVPO naturally extends to on-policy distillation (OPD). Furthermore, GVPO enables the optimization of a broad family of extended OPD objectives, providing a principled foundation for diverse objective design. By unifying theoretical guarantees with practical adaptability, GVPO establishes a new paradigm for reliable and versatile LLM post-training and on-policy distillation.