# Depth and Scale in the Sub-150M Regime: JugnuLM-53M vs JugnuLM-110M

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.14715 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.14715/

## Key facts

- No citing papers in the map yet (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Knowledge distillation for LLMs, one of 12 directions in Knowledge distillation.
- Builds on 15 of its 17 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 13 Sep 2026.

## Placed in

- Knowledge distillation / [Knowledge distillation for LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/distill/knowledge-distillation-for-llms/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 15 of 15)

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- [Value Residual Learning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2410.17897/) (2024)

## Abstract (arXiv)

We scale our conventional sub-150M pretraining recipe from 53.5M to 109.7M parameters, holding the method fixed (Qwen3-style decoder with grouped-query attention, RoPE, SwiGLU, RMSNorm, QK-Norm, and a z-loss; FineWeb-Edu data) and changing only the geometry to a deep-and-thin 23-layer x 576-hidden design. The larger model improves across the board -- BLiMP 78.1 -> 81.3, ARC-Easy 51.4 -> 52.5, WikiText-2 byte-perplexity 2.04 -> 1.95 -- and its 81.3% BLiMP essentially matches GPT-X2-125M (81.28) at about 12% fewer parameters. Notably the 110M model achieves this on fewer training tokens (about 8B vs 12B), so the gain is attributable to capacity and depth, not more data. Both models are deliberately conventional; this report is a clean scaling control and the baseline rung (R0) of an ablation study of what further improves models in this regime. An ablation ladder follows: value residuals (R1) and the Muon optimizer (R2) lift ARC-Easy by a cumulative +3.6 (52.5 -> 56.1) at a near-flat BLiMP and are kept; a diverse data blend (R3) and two logit-distillation settings (R4a/R4b) are not kept -- honest negatives. R3 pins ARC-Easy to FineWeb-Edu's educational filtering rather than raw diversity; distillation from a 1.7B teacher can reach the class-leading ARC-Easy (56.99, matching GPT-X2-125M) but only at a perplexity cost that dialing KD down then erases -- so R2 remains the best kept stack.