# LLaDA MoE v2: Scaling Mixture-of-Experts Diffusion Language Models

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.03457 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2608.03457/

## Key facts

- Cited by 1 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Discrete and text diffusion, one of 14 directions in Diffusion models.
- Builds on 78 of its 83 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 4 Aug 2026.

## Placed in

- Diffusion models / [Discrete and text diffusion](https://mlsanity.com/diffusion/discrete-and-text-diffusion/)
- Mixture-of-experts / [MoE large language models](https://mlsanity.com/moe/moe-large-language-models/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 30 of 78)

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## Built on by (most cited first, 1 of 1)

- [Circuit Hypernetworks for Quantum-Augmented Diffusion Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.24657/) (2026)

## Abstract (arXiv)

Diffusion language models (dLLMs) offer an alternative to autoregressive (AR) language modeling, yet the scaling behavior of Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) dLLMs remains poorly understood. We systematically characterize how optimization hyperparameters, compute allocation, and architecture scale for MoE dLLMs, identifying quantitative differences from scaling trends previously reported for AR models. Specifically, for optimization, the optimal nominal batch size grows faster, while the optimal learning rate decays more rapidly with compute. For model--data allocation, IsoFLOP analysis reveals a slight data-side tilt: the optimal token budget grows faster than activated model-side computation. For MoE architecture, larger scales increasingly favor larger expert pools at fixed activated capacity, while moderate expert granularity remains consistently effective and the preferred fraction of activated capacity assigned to shared experts remains stable across scales. Guided by these findings, we train LLaDA MoE v2, a 30B-A3B dLLM, from scratch on 23.5T tokens. With approximately 65% as many pretraining tokens as Qwen3, LLaDA MoE v2 approaches Qwen3 on several knowledge, reasoning, and coding benchmarks. After supervised fine-tuning alone, it outperforms SDAR Chat on seven of eight reasoning and coding benchmarks and remains close to Qwen3 on several tasks. These results establish practical scaling laws and design principles for MoE dLLMs.