# Schattor: Schatten-family methods for deep learning optimization

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.15702 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2606.15702/

## Key facts

- Cited by 1 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Builds on 36 of its 47 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 14 Jun 2026.

## Builds on (most cited first, 30 of 36)

- [Attention Is All You Need](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1706.03762/) (2017)
- [Deep Residual Learning for Image Recognition](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1512.03385/) (2015)
- [Language Models are Few-Shot Learners](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2005.14165/) (2020)
- [Mamba: Linear-Time Sequence Modeling with Selective State Spaces](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2312.00752/) (2023)
- [Outrageously Large Neural Networks: The Sparsely-Gated Mixture-of-Experts Layer](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1701.06538/) (2017)
- [On the Convergence of Adam and Beyond](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1904.09237/) (2019)
- [On the Variance of the Adaptive Learning Rate and Beyond](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1908.03265/) (2019)
- [signSGD: Compressed Optimisation for Non-Convex Problems](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1802.04434/) (2018)
- [Muon is Scalable for LLM Training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.16982/) (2025)
- [Shampoo: Preconditioned Stochastic Tensor Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1802.09568/) (2018)
- [AdaBelief Optimizer: Adapting Stepsizes by the Belief in Observed Gradients](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2010.07468/) (2020)
- [Old Optimizer, New Norm: An Anthology](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2409.20325/) (2024)
- [Training Deep Learning Models with Norm-Constrained LMOs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.07529/) (2025)
- [Adaptive Gradient Methods with Dynamic Bound of Learning Rate](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1902.09843/) (2019)
- [On the Convergence of A Class of Adam-Type Algorithms for Non-Convex Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1808.02941/) (2018)
- [A Simple Convergence Proof of Adam and Adagrad](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2003.02395/) (2020)
- [Adam-mini: Use Fewer Learning Rates To Gain More](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2406.16793/) (2024)
- [Prodigy: An Expeditiously Adaptive Parameter-Free Learner](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2306.06101/) (2023)
- [Why Transformers Need Adam: A Hessian Perspective](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2402.16788/) (2024)
- [Adam Can Converge Without Any Modification On Update Rules](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2208.09632/) (2022)
- [Understanding Gradient Orthogonalization for Deep Learning via Non-Euclidean Trust-Region Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.12645/) (2025)
- [Muon Optimizes Under Spectral Norm Constraints](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.15054/) (2025)
- [A Note on the Convergence of Muon](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.02900/) (2025)
- [Gluon: Making Muon & Scion Great Again! (Bridging Theory and Practice of LMO-based Optimizers for LLMs)](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.13416/) (2025)
- [Scalable Optimization in the Modular Norm](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2405.14813/) (2024)
- [ASGO: Adaptive Structured Gradient Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.20762/) (2025)
- [PolarGrad: A Class of Matrix-Gradient Optimizers from a Unifying Preconditioning Perspective](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.21799/) (2025)
- [Isotropic Curvature Model for Understanding Deep Learning Optimization: Is Gradient Orthogonalization Optimal?](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2511.00674/) (2025)
- [When do spectral gradient updates help in deep learning?](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2512.04299/) (2025)
- [BAdam: A Memory Efficient Full Parameter Optimization Method for Large Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2404.02827/) (2024)

## Built on by (most cited first, 1 of 1)

- [Optimizing Large Language Models with Chained LMOs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2610.10975/) (2026)

## Abstract (arXiv)

Modern deep learning optimization features heterogeneous parameter structures, noisy gradients, and highly nonconvex landscapes, posing significant challenges for both algorithm design and theoretical analysis. Motivated by the limitations of SGD and the success of adaptive optimizers, we propose it Schattor, a family of adaptive first-order methods based on Schatten norms. Schattor unifies SGD and the recently proposed matrix-variate adaptive optimizer Muon within a single Schatten-norm-based framework. We establish dimension-free stationarity guarantees for methods in the Schattor family for stochastic matrix optimization problems via a novel matrix martingale moment bound. We also develop multi-block extensions that adaptively balance block-wise optimization progress and prove dimension-free stationarity guarantees in this more general setting.