# From Seeing to Thinking: Decoupling Perception and Reasoning Improves Post-Training of Vision-Language Models

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.20177 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.20177/

## Key facts

- Cited by 6 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Multimodal reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning.
- Builds on 46 of its 72 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 19 May 2026.

## Placed in

- LLM reasoning / [Multimodal reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/lr/multimodal-reasoning/)
- Multimodal LLMs / vision-language models / [VLM benchmarks and visual reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/mllm/vlm-benchmarks-and-visual-reasoning/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 30 of 46)

- [DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits of Mathematical Reasoning in Open Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2402.03300/) (2024)
- [Qwen2.5-VL Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.13923/) (2025)
- [Improved Baselines with Visual Instruction Tuning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2310.03744/) (2023)
- [Qwen3-VL Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2511.21631/) (2025)
- [Evaluating Object Hallucination in Large Vision-Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2305.10355/) (2023)
- [MathVista: Evaluating Mathematical Reasoning of Foundation Models in Visual Contexts](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2310.02255/) (2023)
- [ChartQA: A Benchmark for Question Answering about Charts with Visual and Logical Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2203.10244/) (2022)
- [OK-VQA: A Visual Question Answering Benchmark Requiring External Knowledge](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1906.00067/) (2019)
- [ShareGPT4V: Improving Large Multi-Modal Models with Better Captions](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2311.12793/) (2023)
- [A-OKVQA: A Benchmark for Visual Question Answering using World Knowledge](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2206.01718/) (2022)
- [VLM-R1: A Stable and Generalizable R1-style Large Vision-Language Model](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.07615/) (2025)
- [Video-R1: Reinforcing Video Reasoning in MLLMs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.21776/) (2025)
- [Open-Reasoner-Zero: An Open Source Approach to Scaling Up Reinforcement Learning on the Base Model](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.24290/) (2025)
- [LLaVA-CoT: Let Vision Language Models Reason Step-by-Step](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2411.10440/) (2024)
- [InfographicVQA](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2104.12756/) (2021)
- [R1-Onevision: Advancing Generalized Multimodal Reasoning through Cross-Modal Formalization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.10615/) (2025)
- [Visual CoT: Advancing Multi-Modal Language Models with a Comprehensive Dataset and Benchmark for Chain-of-Thought Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2403.16999/) (2024)
- [LMM-R1: Empowering 3B LMMs with Strong Reasoning Abilities Through Two-Stage Rule-Based RL](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.07536/) (2025)
- [Enhancing the Reasoning Ability of Multimodal Large Language Models via Mixed Preference Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2411.10442/) (2024)
- [CogVLM2: Visual Language Models for Image and Video Understanding](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2408.16500/) (2024)
- [SFT or RL? An Early Investigation into Training R1-Like Reasoning Large Vision-Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.11468/) (2025)
- [G-LLaVA: Solving Geometric Problem with Multi-Modal Large Language Model](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2312.11370/) (2023)
- [ALLaVA: Harnessing GPT4V-Synthesized Data for Lite Vision-Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2402.11684/) (2024)
- [LlamaV-o1: Rethinking Step-by-step Visual Reasoning in LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2501.06186/) (2025)
- [Multimodal ArXiv: A Dataset for Improving Scientific Comprehension of Large Vision-Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2403.00231/) (2024)
- [Improve Vision Language Model Chain-of-thought Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2410.16198/) (2024)
- [OpenVLThinker: Complex Vision-Language Reasoning via Iterative SFT-RL Cycles](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.17352/) (2025)
- [CLEVR-Math: A Dataset for Compositional Language, Visual and Mathematical Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2208.05358/) (2022)
- [MedReason: Eliciting Factual Medical Reasoning Steps in LLMs via Knowledge Graphs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.00993/) (2025)
- [More Thinking, Less Seeing? Assessing Amplified Hallucination in Multimodal Reasoning Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.21523/) (2025)

## Built on by (most cited first, 6 of 6)

- [On Asymmetric Optimization of Reasoning and Perception in Vision-Language Model Post-Training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.29496/) (2026)
- [Separating perception from reasoning in vision-language models: a model-free render ceiling for crystal structures](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.00663/) (2026)
- [Certified Interface Aliases: Exact Collisions in Vision-Language Preprocessing, and When They Exist](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.33003/) (2026)
- [Seeing and Solving Are Not Enough for Vision-Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.33694/) (2026)
- [Distill the Visual Evidence, Not Just the Answer: Cross-World On-Policy Distillation for Vision-Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2609.38777/) (2026)
- [Text-Centric Post-Training for Omni-Modal Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2610.02819/) (2026)

## Abstract (arXiv)

Recent advances in vision-language models (VLMs) emphasize long chain-of-thought reasoning; yet, we find that their performance on visual tasks is primarily limited by a lack of visual perception as opposed to reasoning itself. In this work, we systematically study the interplay between perception and reasoning in VLM post-training by decomposing their capabilities into three separate training stages: visual perception, visual reasoning, and textual reasoning, incorporating specialized training data. We demonstrate that visual perception (a) requires targeted optimization with specialized data; (b) serves as a fundamental scaffold that should be solidified through staged training before refining visual reasoning; and (c) is more effectively learned via RL than caption-based SFT. Our experiments across multiple VLMs demonstrate that staged training consistently improves both visual perception and reasoning performance over merged training. Notably, models trained with our approach achieve 1.5% higher reasoning accuracy with 20.8% shorter reasoning traces, suggesting that superior perception reduces the need for excessive reasoning. Furthermore, we show that this capability-based staging represents a new curriculum dimension orthogonal to traditional difficulty-based curricula, and combining both yields further additive gains. Our staged-training models achieve superior performance among open-weight VLMs, establishing advanced results on several visual math and perception (e.g., +5.2% on WeMath and +3.7% on RealWorldQA) tasks compared with the base counterpart.