# Statistical Scouting Finds Debate-Safe but Not Debate-Useful Cases: A Matched-Ceiling Study of Open-Weight LLM Reasoning Protocols

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.09618 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.09618/

## Key facts

- No citing papers in the map yet (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Reasoning for agents, planning and code, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning.
- Builds on 3 of its 9 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 10 May 2026.

## Placed in

- LLM reasoning / [Reasoning for agents, planning and code](https://mlsanity.com/lr/reasoning-for-agents-planning-and-code/)
- LLM agents and tool use / [Social simulation and multi-agent debate](https://mlsanity.com/agents/social-simulation-and-multi-agent-debate/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 3 of 3)

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- [Scaling LLM Test-Time Compute Optimally can be More Effective than Scaling Model Parameters](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2408.03314/) (2024)
- [Debate Only When Necessary: Adaptive Multiagent Collaboration for Efficient LLM Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.05047/) (2025)

## Abstract (arXiv)

When should a language model answer directly, sample and vote, or engage in multi-agent debate? Recent work shows voting often explains much of the gain attributed to debate, while selective-debate systems activate deliberation only on uncertain examples. We ask: under a matched ceiling on generated tokens (960 per example), how much per-example routing headroom exists, and how much is recoverable from cheap pre-deliberation signals? We evaluate greedy decoding, three-sample voting, and a two-agent critique-revise debate on MuSiQue and GSM8K using Llama 3.1 8B Instruct and Ministral 3 8B Instruct. On MuSiQue, an oracle selecting the correct protocol per example gains +14.0 and +13.7 pp over the best fixed one. The best fixed protocol is model- and dataset-dependent: each (model, dataset) cell has a different winner. This headroom is hard to recover from cheap ex-ante signals. A vote-entropy threshold is the only controller that directionally beats the best fixed protocol on both models (+1.3 and +1.7 pp), though individual paired-bootstrap CIs include zero. A joint analysis (meta-analysis +1.6 pp, p=0.125; Bayesian P(both>0)=0.59) is directionally consistent but not significant. Learned controllers (LR, GBT) do not outperform the threshold. The key finding is structural: vote entropy predicts where debate is safe, not where debate is needed. High entropy sharply reduces debate backfire, but 66% of debate-helpful examples (31/47) occur when voting is unanimous but wrong. A single-prompt self-critique probe on Llama flips the answer in 127/127 unanimous cases, yielding zero mutual information with the debate-helpful label; we cannot rule out a prompt-compliance artifact, but either interpretation disqualifies the probe as a router. Recovering the remaining headroom requires behavioral probes that avoid format-compliance confounds at the 8B scale.