# RLVR Training of LLMs Does Not Improve Thinking Ability for General QA: Evaluation Method and a Simple Solution

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.20799 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2603.20799/

## Key facts

- Cited by 1 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Reinforcement learning for reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning.
- Builds on 13 of its 35 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 21 Mar 2026.

## Placed in

- LLM reasoning / [Reinforcement learning for reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/lr/reinforcement-learning-for-reasoning/)

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## Abstract (arXiv)

Reinforcement learning from verifiable rewards (RLVR) stimulates the thinking processes of large language models (LLMs), substantially enhancing their reasoning abilities on verifiable tasks. It is often assumed that similar gains should transfer to general question answering (GQA), but this assumption has not been thoroughly validated. To assess whether RLVR automatically improves LLM performance on GQA, we propose a Cross-Generation evaluation framework that measures the quality of intermediate reasoning by feeding the generated thinking context into LLMs of varying capabilities. Our evaluation leads to a discouraging finding: the efficacy of the thinking process on GQA tasks is markedly lower than on verifiable tasks, suggesting that explicit training on GQA remains necessary in addition to training on verifiable tasks. We further observe that direct RL training on GQA is less effective than RLVR. Our hypothesis is that, whereas verifiable tasks demand robust logical chains to obtain high rewards, GQA tasks often admit shortcuts to high rewards without cultivating high-quality thinking. To avoid possible shortcuts, we introduce a simple method, Separated Thinking And Response Training (START), which first trains only the thinking process, using rewards defined on the final answer. We show that START improves both the quality of thinking and the final answer across several GQA benchmarks and RL algorithms.