# MuonAll: Muon Variant for Efficient Finetuning of Large Language Models

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.06086 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2511.06086/

## Key facts

- Cited by 7 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Builds on 25 of its 36 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 8 Nov 2025.

## Builds on (most cited first, 25 of 25)

- [Adam: A Method for Stochastic Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1412.6980/) (2014)
- [Training Verifiers to Solve Math Word Problems](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2110.14168/) (2021)
- [Measuring Massive Multitask Language Understanding](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2009.03300/) (2020)
- [Think you have Solved Question Answering? Try ARC, the AI2 Reasoning Challenge](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1803.05457/) (2018)
- [GPT-4o System Card](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2410.21276/) (2024)
- [HellaSwag: Can a Machine Really Finish Your Sentence?](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1905.07830/) (2019)
- [Gemini 1.5: Unlocking multimodal understanding across millions of tokens of context](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2403.05530/) (2024)
- [PIQA: Reasoning about Physical Commonsense in Natural Language](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1911.11641/) (2019)
- [BoolQ: Exploring the Surprising Difficulty of Natural Yes/No Questions](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1905.10044/) (2019)
- [Can a Suit of Armor Conduct Electricity? A New Dataset for Open Book Question Answering](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1809.02789/) (2018)
- [Qwen2 Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2407.10671/) (2024)
- [DeepSeek-V2: A Strong, Economical, and Efficient Mixture-of-Experts Language Model](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2405.04434/) (2024)
- [Muon is Scalable for LLM Training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.16982/) (2025)
- [SmolLM2: When Smol Goes Big -- Data-Centric Training of a Small Language Model](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.02737/) (2025)
- [Sophia: A Scalable Stochastic Second-order Optimizer for Language Model Pre-training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2305.14342/) (2023)
- [Old Optimizer, New Norm: An Anthology](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2409.20325/) (2024)
- [On the Convergence of Stochastic Gradient Descent with Adaptive Stepsizes](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1805.08114/) (2018)
- [Muon Optimizes Under Spectral Norm Constraints](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.15054/) (2025)
- [A Note on the Convergence of Muon](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.02900/) (2025)
- [Practical Efficiency of Muon for Pretraining](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.02222/) (2025)
- [AdaMuon: Adaptive Muon Optimizer](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2507.11005/) (2025)
- [Convergence Bound and Critical Batch Size of Muon Optimizer](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2507.01598/) (2025)
- [MuLoCo: Muon is a practical inner optimizer for DiLoCo](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.23725/) (2025)
- [A Stable Whitening Optimizer for Efficient Neural Network Training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.07254/) (2025)
- [Curvature-Informed SGD via General Purpose Lie-Group Preconditioners](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2402.04553/) (2024)

## Built on by (most cited first, 7 of 7)

- [MuonEq: Balancing Before Orthogonalization with Lightweight Equilibration](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2603.28254/) (2026)
- [Spectral Flattening Is All Muon Needs: How Orthogonalization Controls Learning Rate and Convergence](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.13079/) (2026)
- [OLion: Approaching the Hadamard Ideal by Intersecting Spectral and ℓ∞ Implicit Biases](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.01105/) (2026)
- [When and Why SignSGD Outperforms SGD: A Theoretical Study Based on ℓ1-norm Lower Bounds](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.06615/) (2026)
- [Tight Complexity of Muon under Heavy-Tailed Noise](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.18528/) (2026)
- [IFNSO: Iteration-Free Newton-Schulz Orthogonalization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.02500/) (2026)
- [AF-Muon: An AdamW-Free Muon Optimizer for Tied-Embedding Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2610.01395/) (2026)

## Abstract (arXiv)

Muon optimizer has demonstrated robust results in pretraining of language models but its performance in finetuning of existing public pretrained models is not yet explored. Currently, Muon is used along with AdamW introducing a scope of improvement for adopting all parameters inside Muon. We introduce MuonAll, which incorporates all the parameters inside Muon by transforming into 2D matrices. We conduct extensive finetuning experiments across publicly available language models with model sizes upto half billion parameters. Muon and MuonAll perform at par with AdamW across major benchmarks, highlighting their effectiveness as alternative optimizers. We open-source the distributed implementations of Muon and MuonAll, available at https://github.com/Saurabh750/optimizer