# Long Grounded Thoughts: Synthesizing Visual Problems and Reasoning Chains at Scale

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.05705 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2511.05705/

## Key facts

- Cited by 2 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Multimodal reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning.
- Builds on 29 of its 53 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 7 Nov 2025.

## Placed in

- LLM reasoning / [Multimodal reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/lr/multimodal-reasoning/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 29 of 29)

- [Qwen3 Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.09388/) (2025)
- [DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via Reinforcement Learning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2501.12948/) (2025)
- [Qwen2.5-VL Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.13923/) (2025)
- [HybridFlow: A Flexible and Efficient RLHF Framework](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2409.19256/) (2024)
- [s1: Simple test-time scaling](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2501.19393/) (2025)
- [Kimi k1.5: Scaling Reinforcement Learning with LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2501.12599/) (2025)
- [Are We on the Right Way for Evaluating Large Vision-Language Models?](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2403.20330/) (2024)
- [Qwen2.5-Omni Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.20215/) (2025)
- [LLaVA-CoT: Let Vision Language Models Reason Step-by-Step](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2411.10440/) (2024)
- [Cognitive Behaviors that Enable Self-Improving Reasoners, or, Four Habits of Highly Effective STaRs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.01307/) (2025)
- [MMAU: A Massive Multi-Task Audio Understanding and Reasoning Benchmark](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2410.19168/) (2024)
- [Spatial-MLLM: Boosting MLLM Capabilities in Visual-based Spatial Intelligence](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.23747/) (2025)
- [SFT or RL? An Early Investigation into Training R1-Like Reasoning Large Vision-Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.11468/) (2025)
- [Goedel-Prover-V2: Scaling Formal Theorem Proving with Scaffolded Data Synthesis and Self-Correction](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2508.03613/) (2025)
- [MiMo: Unlocking the Reasoning Potential of Language Model -- From Pretraining to Posttraining](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.07608/) (2025)
- [RL on Incorrect Synthetic Data Scales the Efficiency of LLM Math Reasoning by Eight-Fold](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2406.14532/) (2024)
- [MTVQA: Benchmarking Multilingual Text-Centric Visual Question Answering](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2405.11985/) (2024)
- [Virgo: A Preliminary Exploration on Reproducing o1-like MLLM](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2501.01904/) (2025)
- [Advancing Multimodal Reasoning: From Optimized Cold Start to Staged Reinforcement Learning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.04207/) (2025)
- [Omni-R1: Do You Really Need Audio to Fine-Tune Your Audio LLM?](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.09439/) (2025)
- [MEGA-Bench: Scaling Multimodal Evaluation to over 500 Real-World Tasks](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2410.10563/) (2024)
- [Prismatic Synthesis: Gradient-based Data Diversification Boosts Generalization in LLM Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.20161/) (2025)
- [DriveLMM-o1: A Step-by-Step Reasoning Dataset and Large Multimodal Model for Driving Scenario Understanding](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.10621/) (2025)
- [Can Large Vision-Language Models Correct Semantic Grounding Errors By Themselves?](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2404.06510/) (2024)
- [LongPerceptualThoughts: Distilling System-2 Reasoning for System-1 Perception](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.15362/) (2025)
- [SCI-Reason: A Dataset with Chain-of-Thought Rationales for Complex Multimodal Reasoning in Academic Areas](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.06637/) (2025)
- [Socratic-MCTS: Test-Time Visual Reasoning by Asking the Right Questions](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.08927/) (2025)
- [Beyond Needle(s) in the Embodied Haystack: Environment, Architecture, and Training Considerations for Long Context Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.16928/) (2025)
- [Multi-Scenario Reasoning: Unlocking Cognitive Autonomy in Humanoid Robots for Multimodal Understanding](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2412.20429/) (2024)

## Built on by (most cited first, 2 of 2)

- [Grounding Everything in Tokens for Multimodal Large Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2512.10554/) (2025)
- [MagicBeanStalk: Escaping the RLVR Zero Advantage Trap with Recursive Data Synthesis](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2610.12659/) (2026)

## Abstract (arXiv)

Despite rapid progress, multimodal reasoning still lacks a systematic approach to synthesize large-scale vision-centric datasets beyond visual math. We introduce a framework able to synthesize vision-centric problems spanning diverse levels of complexity, and the resulting dataset with over 1M high-quality problems including: reasoning traces, preference data, and instruction prompts supporting SFT, offline and online RL. Our vision-centric synthesis framework uses a two-stage process focusing on: (1) generating diverse verifiable questions from existing images at scale, and (2) creating complex compositional visual problems by merging simpler questions. Remarkably, finetuning Qwen2.5-VL-7B on our data outperforms existing open-data baselines across evaluated vision-centric benchmarks, and our best configurations match or surpass strong closed-data models such as MiMo-VL-7B-RL on Vstar Bench, CV-Bench and MMStar-V. Notably, despite being entirely vision-centric, our data transfers positively to text-only reasoning (MMLU-Pro, +3.7%) and audio reasoning (MMAU, +1.32%), demonstrating its effectiveness. Similarly, despite containing no embodied visual data, we observe notable gains (NiEH, +8.8%) when evaluating open-ended embodied QA. Lastly, we use our data to comprehensively analyze at scale (1M+) the entire VLM post-training pipeline showing that (i) SFT on high-quality data with cognitive behaviors on reasoning traces is essential to scale online RL, (ii) offline RL could match online RL's performance while disaggregating compute demands, and, (iii) SFT on high quality data also improve out-of-domain, cross-modality transfer.