# Isotropic Curvature Model for Understanding Deep Learning Optimization: Is Gradient Orthogonalization Optimal?

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.00674 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2511.00674/

## Key facts

- Cited by 37 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Builds on 39 of its 48 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 1 Nov 2025.

## Builds on (most cited first, 30 of 39)

- [Exploring the Limits of Transfer Learning with a Unified Text-to-Text Transformer](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1910.10683/) (2019)
- [signSGD: Compressed Optimisation for Non-Convex Problems](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1802.04434/) (2018)
- [Muon is Scalable for LLM Training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.16982/) (2025)
- [Gradient Descent on Neural Networks Typically Occurs at the Edge of Stability](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2103.00065/) (2021)
- [Shampoo: Preconditioned Stochastic Tensor Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1802.09568/) (2018)
- [Old Optimizer, New Norm: An Anthology](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2409.20325/) (2024)
- [SOAP: Improving and Stabilizing Shampoo using Adam](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2409.11321/) (2024)
- [Training Deep Learning Models with Norm-Constrained LMOs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.07529/) (2025)
- [Exploring Deep Neural Networks via Layer-Peeled Model: Minority Collapse in Imbalanced Training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2101.12699/) (2021)
- [Why Transformers Need Adam: A Hessian Perspective](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2402.16788/) (2024)
- [Path-SGD: Path-Normalized Optimization in Deep Neural Networks](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1506.02617/) (2015)
- [The Polar Express: Optimal Matrix Sign Methods and Their Application to the Muon Algorithm](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.16932/) (2025)
- [Fantastic Pretraining Optimizers and Where to Find Them](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.02046/) (2025)
- [Understanding Gradient Orthogonalization for Deep Learning via Non-Euclidean Trust-Region Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.12645/) (2025)
- [Muon Optimizes Under Spectral Norm Constraints](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.15054/) (2025)
- [NorMuon: Making Muon more efficient and scalable](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2510.05491/) (2025)
- [A Note on the Convergence of Muon](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.02900/) (2025)
- [Heavy-Tailed Class Imbalance and Why Adam Outperforms Gradient Descent on Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2402.19449/) (2024)
- [Practical Efficiency of Muon for Pretraining](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.02222/) (2025)
- [Modular Duality in Deep Learning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2410.21265/) (2024)
- [Gluon: Making Muon & Scion Great Again! (Bridging Theory and Practice of LMO-based Optimizers for LLMs)](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.13416/) (2025)
- [Dion: Distributed Orthonormalized Updates](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.05295/) (2025)
- [Benchmarking Optimizers for Large Language Model Pretraining](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.01440/) (2025)
- [Understanding Optimization in Deep Learning with Central Flows](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2410.24206/) (2024)
- [ASGO: Adaptive Structured Gradient Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.20762/) (2025)
- [PolarGrad: A Class of Matrix-Gradient Optimizers from a Unifying Preconditioning Perspective](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.21799/) (2025)
- [Muon Outperforms Adam in Tail-End Associative Memory Learning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.26030/) (2025)
- [Implicit Bias of Spectral Descent and Muon on Multiclass Separable Data](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2502.04664/) (2025)
- [Lions and Muons: Optimization via Stochastic Frank-Wolfe under Heavy-Tailed Noise](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.04192/) (2025)
- [MuonBP: Faster Muon via Block-Periodic Orthogonalization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2510.16981/) (2025)

## Built on by (most cited first, 30 of 37)

- [Preconditioning Benefits of Spectral Orthogonalization in Muon](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2601.13474/) (2026)
- [The Newton-Muon Optimizer](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2604.01472/) (2026)
- [Sharp Capacity Scaling of Spectral Optimizers in Learning Associative Memory](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2603.26554/) (2026)
- [Muon is Not That Special: Random or Inverted Spectra Work Just as Well](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.11181/) (2026)
- [Insights on Muon from Simple Quadratics](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.11948/) (2026)
- [Mano: Restriking Manifold Optimization for LLM Training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2601.23000/) (2026)
- [FISMO: Fisher-Structured Momentum-Orthogonalized Optimizer](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2601.21750/) (2026)
- [Symmetry-Compatible Principle for Optimizer Design: Embeddings, LM Heads, SwiGLU MLPs, and MoE Routers](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.18106/) (2026)
- [To Use or not to Use Muon: How Simplicity Bias in Optimizers Matters](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2603.00742/) (2026)
- [Delving into Muon and Beyond: Deep Analysis and Extensions](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.04669/) (2026)
- [Muon Does Not Converge on Convex Lipschitz Functions](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.08980/) (2026)
- [Clarifying Shampoo: Adapting Spectral Descent to Stochasticity and the Parameter Trajectory](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.09314/) (2026)
- [Accelerating LLM Pre-Training through Flat-Direction Dynamics Enhancement](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.22681/) (2026)
- [Can Muon Fine-tune Adam-Pretrained Models?](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.10468/) (2026)
- [Spectral Gradient Descent Mitigates Anisotropy-Driven Misalignment: A Case Study in Phase Retrieval](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2601.22652/) (2026)
- [MUON+: Towards More Effective Muon via One Additional Normalization Step for LLM Pre-training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.21545/) (2026)
- [Optimizer-Model Consistency: Full Finetuning with the Same Optimizer as Pretraining Forgets Less](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.06654/) (2026)
- [Muon-OGD: Muon-based Spectral Orthogonal Gradient Projection for LLM Continual Learning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.08949/) (2026)
- [PRISM: Distribution-free Adaptive Computation of Matrix Functions for Accelerating Neural Network Training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2601.22137/) (2026)
- [Phases of Muon: When Muon Eclipses SignSGD](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.09552/) (2026)
- [MiMuon: Mixed Muon Optimizer with Improved Generalization for Large Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.19619/) (2026)
- [When and Why SignSGD Outperforms SGD: A Theoretical Study Based on ℓ1-norm Lower Bounds](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.06615/) (2026)
- [Tight Complexity of Muon under Heavy-Tailed Noise](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.18528/) (2026)
- [Denoise First, Orthogonalize Later: Understanding Momentum in Muon via Spectral Filtering](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2606.03899/) (2026)
- [Towards Understanding the Power and Limits of the Muon Optimizer: A River-Valley Perspective](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2606.21514/) (2026)
- [Hierarchical Muon: Tiled Newton-Schulz Updates for Efficient Muon Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2606.27216/) (2026)
- [Double Preconditioning (DoPr): Optimization for Test-Time Performance, not Validation Loss](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2606.06418/) (2026)
- [Schattor: Schatten-family methods for deep learning optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2606.15702/) (2026)
- [Reassessing Muon for Matrix Factorization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2607.13246/) (2026)
- [Spectral Allocation: Why Muon Outperforms Adam, and How to Improve Muon](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2608.25990/) (2026)

## Abstract (arXiv)

In this paper, we introduce a model for analyzing deep learning optimization over a single iteration by leveraging the matrix structure of the weights. We derive the model by assuming isotropy of curvature, including the second-order Hessian and higher-order terms, of the loss function across all perturbation directions; hence, we call it the isotropic curvature model. This model is a convex optimization program amenable to analysis, which allows us to understand how an update on the weights in the form of a matrix relates to the change in the total loss function. As an application, we use the isotropic curvature model to analyze the recently introduced Muon optimizer and other matrix-gradient methods for training language models. First, we show that under a general growth condition on the curvature, the optimal update matrix is obtained by making the spectrum of the original gradient matrix more homogeneous -- that is, making its singular values closer in ratio -- which in particular improves the conditioning of the update matrix. Next, we show that the orthogonalized gradient becomes optimal for the isotropic curvature model when the curvature exhibits a phase transition in growth. Taken together, these results suggest that the gradient orthogonalization employed in Muon and other related methods is directionally correct but may not be strictly optimal. Finally, we discuss future research on how to leverage the isotropic curvature model for designing new optimization methods for training deep learning and language models.