# Conda: Column-Normalized Adam for Training Large Language Models Faster

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.24218 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.24218/

## Key facts

- Cited by 5 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Builds on 56 of its 78 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 29 Sep 2025.

## Builds on (most cited first, 30 of 56)

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- [On the Width Scaling of Neural Optimizers Under Matrix Operator Norms I: Row/Column Normalization and Hyperparameter Transfer](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2603.09952/) (2026)
- [Enhancing LLM Training via Spectral Clipping](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2603.14315/) (2026)
- [Canzona: A Unified, Asynchronous, and Load-Balanced Framework for Distributed Matrix-based Optimizers](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.06079/) (2026)
- [Convergence of Spectral Descent for Non-smooth Optimization](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2605.26977/) (2026)
- [OmniOpt: Taxonomy, Geometry, and Benchmarking of Modern Optimizers](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2607.04033/) (2026)

## Abstract (arXiv)

Large language models (LLMs) have demonstrated impressive generalization and emergent capabilities, yet their pre-training remains computationally expensive and sensitive to optimization dynamics. While Adam-based optimizers offer fast convergence by adapting learning rates coordinate-wise, recent studies reveal that their updates often suffer from poor spectral conditioning and low-rank structures, hindering efficiency. Muon addresses this issue via global spectral normalization but lacks the per-coordinate adaptivity of Adam. In this work, we propose Column-Normalized Adam (Conda), a novel optimizer that bridges the strengths of both approaches. Conda projects updates into an orthogonal subspace and applies column-wise second moment normalization based on the projected gradients, thereby achieving both improved spectral conditioning and maintaining coordinate-wise adaptivity. This design alleviates the spectral pathologies of Adam while preserving its fast convergence behavior. Extensive experiments on the LLaMA and GPT-2 series show that Conda consistently outperforms AdamW, Muon, and other baselines in pre-training. Remarkably, on the LLaMA series, Conda achieves 2-2.5 the convergence speed of AdamW, measured in both training steps and training time. Further ablations demonstrate its robustness under diverse training setups. These results collectively highlight Conda as an effective and broadly applicable optimizer for large-scale LLM training. The code is released on https://github.com/jie040109/Conda