# Echo Chamber: RL Post-training Amplifies Behaviors Learned in Pretraining

arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.07912 · HTML: https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.07912/

## Key facts

- Cited by 129 papers in the map (data through 14 Oct 2026).
- Placed in Reinforcement learning for reasoning, one of 17 directions in LLM reasoning.
- Builds on 50 of its 64 references that are in the map.
- First posted on arXiv 10 Apr 2025.

## Placed in

- LLM reasoning / [Reinforcement learning for reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/lr/reinforcement-learning-for-reasoning/)

## Builds on (most cited first, 30 of 50)

- [Proximal Policy Optimization Algorithms](https://mlsanity.com/paper/1707.06347/) (2017)
- [The Llama 3 Herd of Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2407.21783/) (2024)
- [Chain-of-Thought Prompting Elicits Reasoning in Large Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2201.11903/) (2022)
- [Training Verifiers to Solve Math Word Problems](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2110.14168/) (2021)
- [DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits of Mathematical Reasoning in Open Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2402.03300/) (2024)
- [ReAct: Synergizing Reasoning and Acting in Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2210.03629/) (2022)
- [Direct Preference Optimization: Your Language Model is Secretly a Reward Model](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2305.18290/) (2023)
- [DeepSeek-R1: Incentivizing Reasoning Capability in LLMs via Reinforcement Learning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2501.12948/) (2025)
- [Measuring Mathematical Problem Solving With the MATH Dataset](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2103.03874/) (2021)
- [Qwen2.5 Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2412.15115/) (2024)
- [RoFormer: Enhanced Transformer with Rotary Position Embedding](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2104.09864/) (2021)
- [Toolformer: Language Models Can Teach Themselves to Use Tools](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2302.04761/) (2023)
- [Let's Verify Step by Step](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2305.20050/) (2023)
- [Tree of Thoughts: Deliberate Problem Solving with Large Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2305.10601/) (2023)
- [GPQA: A Graduate-Level Google-Proof Q&A Benchmark](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2311.12022/) (2023)
- [DAPO: An Open-Source LLM Reinforcement Learning System at Scale](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.14476/) (2025)
- [LiveCodeBench: Holistic and Contamination Free Evaluation of Large Language Models for Code](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2403.07974/) (2024)
- [Mixtral of Experts](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2401.04088/) (2024)
- [GLU Variants Improve Transformer](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2002.05202/) (2020)
- [Understanding R1-Zero-Like Training: A Critical Perspective](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2503.20783/) (2025)
- [s1: Simple test-time scaling](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2501.19393/) (2025)
- [Kimi k1.5: Scaling Reinforcement Learning with LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2501.12599/) (2025)
- [The FineWeb Datasets: Decanting the Web for the Finest Text Data at Scale](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2406.17557/) (2024)
- [STaR: Bootstrapping Reasoning With Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2203.14465/) (2022)
- [Solving math word problems with process- and outcome-based feedback](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2211.14275/) (2022)
- [Graph of Thoughts: Solving Elaborate Problems with Large Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2308.09687/) (2023)
- [Large Language Models Can Be Easily Distracted by Irrelevant Context](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2302.00093/) (2023)
- [Training Large Language Models to Reason in a Continuous Latent Space](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2412.06769/) (2024)
- [Phi-4 Technical Report](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2412.08905/) (2024)
- [RAFT: Reward rAnked FineTuning for Generative Foundation Model Alignment](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2304.06767/) (2023)

## Built on by (most cited first, 30 of 129)

- [Does Reinforcement Learning Really Incentivize Reasoning Capacity in LLMs Beyond the Base Model?](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.13837/) (2025)
- [Learning to Reason under Off-Policy Guidance](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2504.14945/) (2025)
- [Spurious Rewards: Rethinking Training Signals in RLVR](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.10947/) (2025)
- [ProRL: Prolonged Reinforcement Learning Expands Reasoning Boundaries in Large Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.24864/) (2025)
- [Learning What Reinforcement Learning Can't: Interleaved Online Fine-Tuning for Hardest Questions](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.07527/) (2025)
- [The Invisible Leash: Why RLVR May or May Not Escape Its Origin](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2507.14843/) (2025)
- [Outcome-based Exploration for LLM Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.06941/) (2025)
- [On the Interplay of Pre-Training, Mid-Training, and RL on Reasoning Language Models](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2512.07783/) (2025)
- [Breaking the Exploration Bottleneck: Rubric-Scaffolded Reinforcement Learning for General LLM Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2508.16949/) (2025)
- [Blending Supervised and Reinforcement Fine-Tuning with Prefix Sampling](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2507.01679/) (2025)
- [A Survey on Large Language Models for Mathematical Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2506.08446/) (2025)
- [QuestA: Expanding Reasoning Capacity in LLMs via Question Augmentation](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2507.13266/) (2025)
- [Depth-Breadth Synergy in RLVR: Unlocking LLM Reasoning Gains with Adaptive Exploration](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2508.13755/) (2025)
- [From f(x) and g(x) to f(g(x)): LLMs Learn New Skills in RL by Composing Old Ones](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.25123/) (2025)
- [POPE: Learning to Reason on Hard Problems via Privileged On-Policy Exploration](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2601.18779/) (2026)
- [NFT: Bridging Supervised Learning and Reinforcement Learning in Math Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.18116/) (2025)
- [Maximum Likelihood Reinforcement Learning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2602.02710/) (2026)
- [Reinforcement Learning Meets Large Language Models: A Survey of Advancements and Applications Across the LLM Lifecycle](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.16679/) (2025)
- [Tracing the Representation Geometry of Language Models from Pretraining to Post-training](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.23024/) (2025)
- [Open Vision Reasoner: Transferring Linguistic Cognitive Behavior for Visual Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2507.05255/) (2025)
- [RL Squeezes, SFT Expands: A Comparative Study of Reasoning LLMs](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.21128/) (2025)
- [KL-Regularized Reinforcement Learning is Designed to Mode Collapse](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2510.20817/) (2025)
- [Base Models Know How to Reason, Thinking Models Learn When](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2510.07364/) (2025)
- [Nudging the Boundaries of LLM Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2509.25666/) (2025)
- [Accelerating RL for LLM Reasoning with Optimal Advantage Regression](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.20686/) (2025)
- [Veritas: Generalizable Deepfake Detection via Pattern-Aware Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2508.21048/) (2025)
- [Differential Smoothing Mitigates Sharpening and Improves LLM Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2511.19942/) (2025)
- [Reward and Guidance through Rubrics: Promoting Exploration to Improve Multi-Domain Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2511.12344/) (2025)
- [KTAE: A Model-Free Algorithm to Key-Tokens Advantage Estimation in Mathematical Reasoning](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2505.16826/) (2025)
- [CME-CAD: Heterogeneous Collaborative Multi-Expert Reinforcement Learning for CAD Code Generation](https://mlsanity.com/paper/2512.23333/) (2025)

## Abstract (arXiv)

Reinforcement learning (RL)-based fine-tuning has become a crucial step in post-training language models for advanced mathematical reasoning and coding. Following the success of frontier reasoning models, recent work has demonstrated that RL fine-tuning consistently improves performance, even in smaller-scale models; however, the underlying mechanisms driving these improvements are not well-understood. Understanding the effects of RL fine-tuning requires disentangling its interaction with pretraining data composition, hyperparameters, and model scale, but such problems are exacerbated by the lack of transparency regarding the training data used in many existing models. In this work, we present a systematic end-to-end study of RL fine-tuning for mathematical reasoning by training models entirely from scratch on different mixtures of fully open datasets. We investigate the effects of various RL fine-tuning algorithms (PPO, GRPO, and Expert Iteration) across models of different scales. Our study reveals that RL algorithms consistently converge towards a dominant output distribution, amplifying patterns in the pretraining data. We also find that models of different scales trained on the same data mixture will converge to distinct output distributions, suggesting that there are scale-dependent biases in model generalization. Moreover, we find that RL post-training on simpler questions can lead to performance gains on harder ones, indicating that certain reasoning capabilities generalize across tasks. Our findings show that small-scale proxies in controlled settings can elicit interesting insights regarding the role of RL in shaping language model behavior.